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2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues
      #252895 - 06/24/16 05:50 AM

Draft day. Which should mean....trading day.

Can the Blues get the haul they want for Shattenkirk?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252905 - 06/24/16 06:49 PM

I'm sure griff is totally forked up by noww wiff the loss of that goalie dude

Ona higher note ( knot blue ), I like Rory to defend nex month





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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: fastman]
      #252906 - 06/24/16 07:17 PM

If this is all there is to trading Elliott, this is one dumb move. I mean DUMB.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252907 - 06/24/16 08:15 PM

Dude isn't know until I texted. He ain't happy. Dumb forking move

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: H2ODOG]
      #252908 - 06/24/16 08:22 PM

Eddie - first.....I'm forked up because I couldn't make it your way tonight. second......I'm looking for someone to beat the hell out of over this move by the Blues.

WTF??????????????????????

I know they have salary cap issues and having two potentially #1 goalies is a luxury.....but first, Allen may not be a #1 yet, and second, a #2 draft choice is all you can muster for one of the top 3-5 goalies in the league??

WTF?????????????????????????

first, I need to find someone to punch in the face, and second, I need someone to punch me in the face.

GODDAMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #252910 - 06/24/16 09:11 PM

Mac would be a great person to punch in the face a few times. Might have to get on your knees to do it though.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: H2ODOG]
      #252911 - 06/25/16 12:50 PM

No need to get all uptight... Lots at play here. First, Elliott is very good, not great. Allen is very good, not great. Can't afford everyone and something has to give. Elliott is older, contract up next year and he will get a big contract the Blues can't afford. Allen showed he can carry the load.

Save the face punching for something that matters...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #252913 - 06/25/16 04:12 PM

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Allen showed he can carry the load.






What load? You mean play off load? When was that?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252919 - 06/26/16 07:58 AM

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Allen showed he can carry the load.






What load? You mean play off load? When was that?




He and Elliott are about the same goalies. Allen played well enough in the playoffs to show he can carry the load about the same as Elliott. Had they traded away the next Patrick Roy, you got a beef. Keep in mind, the Blues also have some insights we don't. And if Elliott were the next Roy, we would know it by now...

Not saying there is an issue but they may feel Elliott's age and injuries are more of a concern. They may feel Allen has a higher upside, if given the #1 role, outright. Lot's at play here and Armstrong seems to have a good handle on what it takes to build a championship team.

No need to panic... It is a shame that griffin will have to mothball his Elliott sweater and peel the Fathead off his bedroom wall...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #252920 - 06/26/16 11:23 AM

In the end it is what it is......but now we need a goalie. I'm not sold on Allen....his glove sucks and most of the league figured that out. Maybe he can get it straightened out, but I NEVER like those goalies who play from their knees as much as Allen does, and I don't like him.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #252921 - 06/26/16 12:52 PM

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Allen showed he can carry the load.






What load? You mean play off load? When was that?




He and Elliott are about the same goalies. Allen played well enough in the playoffs to show he can carry the load about the same as Elliott.




Against Minn the prior season he fell apart.

Against the Sharks, one decent game and one not.

His whole pro career in juniors/ahl was a playoff mess.

He has never matched up "about the same" to Elliott's best playoff level.

They are loving the trade in Calgary as they should, we shipped the wrong guy out there. Of course, I doubt Calgary would have taken Allen.


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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #252926 - 06/26/16 05:17 PM

I'll do it. Tell me when and where. I prefer you come to the country , I don't much like driving in St louis.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252933 - 06/27/16 08:42 AM

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Allen showed he can carry the load.






What load? You mean play off load? When was that?




He and Elliott are about the same goalies. Allen played well enough in the playoffs to show he can carry the load about the same as Elliott.




Against Minn the prior season he fell apart.

Against the Sharks, one decent game and one not.

His whole pro career in juniors/ahl was a playoff mess.

He has never matched up "about the same" to Elliott's best playoff level.

They are loving the trade in Calgary as they should, we shipped the wrong guy out there. Of course, I doubt Calgary would have taken Allen.




If tomorrow, I needed one of the two to play an important game, I would pick Elliott. That being said, I would not panic at the thought of Allen playing that game over Elliott... They both have some very good games on their resumes and both have a few stinkers, in the playoffs...

I did just hear that Elliott's agent called the Blues and asked that he be traded to a team that would make him their #1 netminder. If that is true (apparently Armstrong said it), then you have to look at it logically. The chances of him signing a big deal with the Blues, after this season were very slim. He's going to get a good 3-5 year deal from some team and the Blues simply would not be able to make that work. There are far too many needs that will be eating up that cap space. Keeping this core of players will not be cheap...

Remove emotion and look at it from a business and logical standpoint. This deal is not going to hurt the Blues in the long run unless Allen falls on his face, gets a long term injury or Elliott becomes the next Martin Brodeur, at age 31 or 32...

The fact that people in Calgary are happy doesn't mean it is bad deal for the Blues. Hell, they were happy when they got Rick Wamsley for a fledgling young player by the name of Brett Hull. WTF do they know? This deal wasn't about getting the 35th player in the draft. It was about clearing some cap space, clearing room to let Allen be the #1 and getting something of any value for an asset they were going to lose anyway...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #252936 - 06/27/16 11:15 AM

Yes, those are indeed the reasons we shipped the better Blues goalie to Calgary.

We shipped the better player, particularly post season player, to save maybe 1.5 mil in cap space and to pick up a #35 in the draft.

For that, we have exposed ourselves to a risk they can ill afford. I don't like the trade off. I now believe we have an additional issue to deal with next season. This is NOT what you do with a team that just finished in the top 4 of the league and already has multiple personnel issues threatening their improvement.

As far as Elliott "wanting" to be traded, that most certainly lies at the Blues door step, 100%.

If Allen comes through, I will be happy to stand corrected. And I will congratulate Army on finally getting something right at the net. For now, I believe this is a fork up and a needless one at that.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252938 - 06/27/16 11:43 AM

Let's face it.....the Blues have forked up more goalie situations then we can write about. And they would have forked it up in last years playoffs too if Allen hadn't of gotten hurt.

I get the cap thing, and all the other BS that goes with it.....just don't try to sell me on the idea that the Note are just as good with Allen as they were with Elliott.

That's absolute stupid crap right there.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #252940 - 06/27/16 03:14 PM

I've stewed on this now for 3 days.

While I will root for Jake, I am now giving consideration towards Jake Allen not even being the starting goalie for the Blues in next years playoffs. If we make the playoffs.

I will let you all know if this consideration leads towards a full blown official prediction. But it may take some time so don't pester me. That includes you Bubba.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252944 - 06/27/16 05:37 PM

Well , I hope yall are at least "in the hunt" with Allen.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252950 - 06/28/16 06:35 AM

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I've stewed on this now for 3 days.

While I will root for Jake, I am now giving consideration towards Jake Allen not even being the starting goalie for the Blues in next years playoffs. If we make the playoffs.

I will let you all know if this consideration leads towards a full blown official prediction. But it may take some time so don't pester me. That includes you Bubba.




So you've come in off the ledge for now?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #252994 - 07/08/16 05:32 AM

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/pr...2b06f9f29c.html

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253201 - 08/15/16 02:37 PM

Love me some Hitch but.......this is one soft angle he came up with here.

Hell, the biggest news I can find in this article is that Hitch was out "walking a golf course."

bwaaaaaaaaaaa

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/pr...0e1c60a65f.html

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253204 - 08/15/16 05:35 PM

A better message from the boss here. This one makes a little more sense.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/blues-...-hitchcock-yeo/

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #253585 - 09/19/16 08:18 AM

Starting training camp Saturday. Of course several players are playing in the World Cup. And it looks like the Sobotka saga is still a saga... Hope they can get him in camp and hoping even more he is as good as he was wearing the Note the first time around. I loved watching that dude play and really appreciated his face-off prowess.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #253586 - 09/19/16 09:01 AM

How 'bout Parayko last night??

I look for more minutes for the guy. He really played well both sides.

Picked to root for the NA team all the way. They will not be laying down for anyone.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253598 - 09/19/16 05:22 PM

Oh , Lordie....please don't tell me it starts so forking soon!!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #253766 - 10/11/16 04:34 AM

Well, the Blues are hoping Yak is going to grow up and be somebody.

A low risk gamble for sure and this team needs to hit three 7's on him for the jackpot.

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