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2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues
      #252895 - 06/24/16 05:50 AM

Draft day. Which should mean....trading day.

Can the Blues get the haul they want for Shattenkirk?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252905 - 06/24/16 06:49 PM

I'm sure griff is totally forked up by noww wiff the loss of that goalie dude

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: fastman]
      #252906 - 06/24/16 07:17 PM

If this is all there is to trading Elliott, this is one dumb move. I mean DUMB.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252907 - 06/24/16 08:15 PM

Dude isn't know until I texted. He ain't happy. Dumb forking move

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: H2ODOG]
      #252908 - 06/24/16 08:22 PM

Eddie - first.....I'm forked up because I couldn't make it your way tonight. second......I'm looking for someone to beat the hell out of over this move by the Blues.

WTF??????????????????????

I know they have salary cap issues and having two potentially #1 goalies is a luxury.....but first, Allen may not be a #1 yet, and second, a #2 draft choice is all you can muster for one of the top 3-5 goalies in the league??

WTF?????????????????????????

first, I need to find someone to punch in the face, and second, I need someone to punch me in the face.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #252910 - 06/24/16 09:11 PM

Mac would be a great person to punch in the face a few times. Might have to get on your knees to do it though.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: H2ODOG]
      #252911 - 06/25/16 12:50 PM

No need to get all uptight... Lots at play here. First, Elliott is very good, not great. Allen is very good, not great. Can't afford everyone and something has to give. Elliott is older, contract up next year and he will get a big contract the Blues can't afford. Allen showed he can carry the load.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #252913 - 06/25/16 04:12 PM

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Allen showed he can carry the load.






What load? You mean play off load? When was that?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252919 - 06/26/16 07:58 AM

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Allen showed he can carry the load.






What load? You mean play off load? When was that?




He and Elliott are about the same goalies. Allen played well enough in the playoffs to show he can carry the load about the same as Elliott. Had they traded away the next Patrick Roy, you got a beef. Keep in mind, the Blues also have some insights we don't. And if Elliott were the next Roy, we would know it by now...

Not saying there is an issue but they may feel Elliott's age and injuries are more of a concern. They may feel Allen has a higher upside, if given the #1 role, outright. Lot's at play here and Armstrong seems to have a good handle on what it takes to build a championship team.

No need to panic... It is a shame that griffin will have to mothball his Elliott sweater and peel the Fathead off his bedroom wall...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #252920 - 06/26/16 11:23 AM

In the end it is what it is......but now we need a goalie. I'm not sold on Allen....his glove sucks and most of the league figured that out. Maybe he can get it straightened out, but I NEVER like those goalies who play from their knees as much as Allen does, and I don't like him.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #252921 - 06/26/16 12:52 PM

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Allen showed he can carry the load.






What load? You mean play off load? When was that?




He and Elliott are about the same goalies. Allen played well enough in the playoffs to show he can carry the load about the same as Elliott.




Against Minn the prior season he fell apart.

Against the Sharks, one decent game and one not.

His whole pro career in juniors/ahl was a playoff mess.

He has never matched up "about the same" to Elliott's best playoff level.

They are loving the trade in Calgary as they should, we shipped the wrong guy out there. Of course, I doubt Calgary would have taken Allen.


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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #252926 - 06/26/16 05:17 PM

I'll do it. Tell me when and where. I prefer you come to the country , I don't much like driving in St louis.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252933 - 06/27/16 08:42 AM

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Allen showed he can carry the load.






What load? You mean play off load? When was that?




He and Elliott are about the same goalies. Allen played well enough in the playoffs to show he can carry the load about the same as Elliott.




Against Minn the prior season he fell apart.

Against the Sharks, one decent game and one not.

His whole pro career in juniors/ahl was a playoff mess.

He has never matched up "about the same" to Elliott's best playoff level.

They are loving the trade in Calgary as they should, we shipped the wrong guy out there. Of course, I doubt Calgary would have taken Allen.




If tomorrow, I needed one of the two to play an important game, I would pick Elliott. That being said, I would not panic at the thought of Allen playing that game over Elliott... They both have some very good games on their resumes and both have a few stinkers, in the playoffs...

I did just hear that Elliott's agent called the Blues and asked that he be traded to a team that would make him their #1 netminder. If that is true (apparently Armstrong said it), then you have to look at it logically. The chances of him signing a big deal with the Blues, after this season were very slim. He's going to get a good 3-5 year deal from some team and the Blues simply would not be able to make that work. There are far too many needs that will be eating up that cap space. Keeping this core of players will not be cheap...

Remove emotion and look at it from a business and logical standpoint. This deal is not going to hurt the Blues in the long run unless Allen falls on his face, gets a long term injury or Elliott becomes the next Martin Brodeur, at age 31 or 32...

The fact that people in Calgary are happy doesn't mean it is bad deal for the Blues. Hell, they were happy when they got Rick Wamsley for a fledgling young player by the name of Brett Hull. WTF do they know? This deal wasn't about getting the 35th player in the draft. It was about clearing some cap space, clearing room to let Allen be the #1 and getting something of any value for an asset they were going to lose anyway...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #252936 - 06/27/16 11:15 AM

Yes, those are indeed the reasons we shipped the better Blues goalie to Calgary.

We shipped the better player, particularly post season player, to save maybe 1.5 mil in cap space and to pick up a #35 in the draft.

For that, we have exposed ourselves to a risk they can ill afford. I don't like the trade off. I now believe we have an additional issue to deal with next season. This is NOT what you do with a team that just finished in the top 4 of the league and already has multiple personnel issues threatening their improvement.

As far as Elliott "wanting" to be traded, that most certainly lies at the Blues door step, 100%.

If Allen comes through, I will be happy to stand corrected. And I will congratulate Army on finally getting something right at the net. For now, I believe this is a fork up and a needless one at that.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252938 - 06/27/16 11:43 AM

Let's face it.....the Blues have forked up more goalie situations then we can write about. And they would have forked it up in last years playoffs too if Allen hadn't of gotten hurt.

I get the cap thing, and all the other BS that goes with it.....just don't try to sell me on the idea that the Note are just as good with Allen as they were with Elliott.

That's absolute stupid crap right there.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #252940 - 06/27/16 03:14 PM

I've stewed on this now for 3 days.

While I will root for Jake, I am now giving consideration towards Jake Allen not even being the starting goalie for the Blues in next years playoffs. If we make the playoffs.

I will let you all know if this consideration leads towards a full blown official prediction. But it may take some time so don't pester me. That includes you Bubba.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252944 - 06/27/16 05:37 PM

Well , I hope yall are at least "in the hunt" with Allen.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #252950 - 06/28/16 06:35 AM

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I've stewed on this now for 3 days.

While I will root for Jake, I am now giving consideration towards Jake Allen not even being the starting goalie for the Blues in next years playoffs. If we make the playoffs.

I will let you all know if this consideration leads towards a full blown official prediction. But it may take some time so don't pester me. That includes you Bubba.




So you've come in off the ledge for now?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #252994 - 07/08/16 05:32 AM

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/pr...2b06f9f29c.html

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253201 - 08/15/16 02:37 PM

Love me some Hitch but.......this is one soft angle he came up with here.

Hell, the biggest news I can find in this article is that Hitch was out "walking a golf course."

bwaaaaaaaaaaa

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253204 - 08/15/16 05:35 PM

A better message from the boss here. This one makes a little more sense.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/blues-...-hitchcock-yeo/

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #253585 - 09/19/16 08:18 AM

Starting training camp Saturday. Of course several players are playing in the World Cup. And it looks like the Sobotka saga is still a saga... Hope they can get him in camp and hoping even more he is as good as he was wearing the Note the first time around. I loved watching that dude play and really appreciated his face-off prowess.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #253586 - 09/19/16 09:01 AM

How 'bout Parayko last night??

I look for more minutes for the guy. He really played well both sides.

Picked to root for the NA team all the way. They will not be laying down for anyone.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253598 - 09/19/16 05:22 PM

Oh , Lordie....please don't tell me it starts so forking soon!!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #253766 - 10/11/16 04:34 AM

Well, the Blues are hoping Yak is going to grow up and be somebody.

A low risk gamble for sure and this team needs to hit three 7's on him for the jackpot.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253768 - 10/11/16 06:51 AM

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Well, the Blues are hoping Yak is going to grow up and be somebody.

A low risk gamble for sure and this team needs to hit three 7's on him for the jackpot.




Low risk, high potential payoff. Maybe the change of scenery, better coaching and a higher caliber of play will be the trick. And let's not forget he will be on a team with a fellow patriot that has figured it out. Even if he only score 10-15 goals and is effective on a 3rd or 4th line, it will have been a good move.

The real issue is the status of our back-up goalie. If you planned on Allen playing 80% of the games and he ends up hurt, then what? Apparently, he's 50/50 for tomorrow night in Chicago. Not a great start to this new system of having a primary netminder... Then again, the Blues have spent 50 years not being able to figure out that part of the game.

Looking forward to the season. I think it may be a struggle for a bit as they try to find their new identity and work through all of the new coaching. Going to be a bit odd having your head coach next year as an assistant this year and knowing it. Not sure if that has ever happened before in the NHL. Seems like there are going to be some complications with that... I guess we'll see.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #253769 - 10/11/16 07:11 AM

I think this year we are going to figure out how hard headed Hitch really is.

Yeo is the supposed future. He is the one with the experience of the speed game. The players know who is going to be buttering their bread in the coming years.

But I think Hitch has a ton to add to this team, a ton to offer to Yeo who is at the perfect time of his career to do this crazy thing and come out way ahead for the experience of it all.

I remain optimistic. I think these two will get along quite well and provide some good vibes for the team. But in the end the won-loss stat will dictate.

On Allen, I just don't get a good feeling, for multiple reasons.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253770 - 10/11/16 08:51 AM

I stepped in some bull hockey yesterday.

it was green and almost runny.

I think I said "puck" after I stepped in it.



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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: HAUS]
      #253772 - 10/11/16 04:58 PM

I feel as if they should get the ball to Oshie more this year!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #253777 - 10/12/16 04:46 AM

Didn't want you to miss this one Bubba!



http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/pr...9adf63878a.html

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253780 - 10/12/16 08:18 AM

Making a prediction for tonight's opener. I predict I will fall asleep before the start of the 3rd period...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #253787 - 10/13/16 04:15 AM

Well that was fun. I trust you didn't fall asleep in the third Sptsman.

Looks like the Blues are on their way to a Cup this year. And here I was worried and all......

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253789 - 10/13/16 07:05 AM

Made into the 3rd but not to the end... Had to get up at 4:00am this morn. Too old for that chit...

They looked good and Chicago looked a little flat-footed. Impressed mostly with the two-way play and puck support. Lots of north-south movement. That was a classic Hitchcock style game. He has to be tickled that the boyz followed his game plan.

They need to rack up wins before heading West, where they seem to always play lees than stellar.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #253797 - 10/13/16 05:06 PM

Just how long is this season?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #253803 - 10/14/16 11:35 AM

Last season was 26 pages. I'd say this one will be at least that...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #253805 - 10/14/16 03:20 PM

Swell..

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: fastman]
      #253810 - 10/14/16 10:33 PM

yak.....steve garvey & berlund lookin good

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Swell..




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      #253818 - 10/15/16 09:03 PM

hmmmmmmmmm.......interesting team so far.

I like the speed and work in the corners......I'm worried the Blues won't have the size once other teams figure out they need to play physical against them.

Still.....this team will make the playoffs for sure, so there's that.

We're small up front. I'd like to see a trade for some size....but maybe the game is going away from that and it's not needed. Time will tell.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #253819 - 10/16/16 09:04 AM

While this team lost a little size to be sure, they are far from a small team. In fact, I was surprised to see they are still bigger than Chicago. That being said, a big, skilled forward is on every team's wish list. That's why Backes was going to get his big contract and teams would overpay for him. Not many of those guys available. Armstrong may pull something off but I'm not holding my breath...

I've been mostly impressed with how well these guys are playing as a team. Great puck support and very, very good two-way play. I think any player that isn't playing the whole 200' is going to find himself in the press box as a healthy scratch for the next game or two. In short, it looks like they're all bought in to Hitch's system. And I think that is critical to their success.

So far so good with the back-up netminder as well. Let's hope he's as good every time he is needed...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #253822 - 10/16/16 03:13 PM

Not much to complain about so far. Maybe 5/5 scoring uptick?

As I see it, the team has 2 major question marks and yeah I am putting Allen up for one. Particularly the long haul/injury/mental and then of course the play offs.

The other is to have either a Rattie or Jaskin or Pajarvi really step up and be solid. Maybe it's Barbeshev or another guy from the Wolves. But we need to find a diamond in that rough somehow and keep the top 9 strong and injury insurance.

3 games is not a season but Petro looks like the right choice for cappy. Seems to have the extra step and he's producing on the pp.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253824 - 10/16/16 05:00 PM

You three Jabronies crack me up.....Sports Center couldn't do it better!

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Thank you Bubba

Definition of jabroni
jabroni
noun

in "professional wrestling," a wrestler who intentionally loses to improve the image of the winner.

Get out of the ring, jabroni.

Yeah you're damn right I said I hate you, you pathetic jabrony.

See more words with the same meaning: miscellaneous insults (list of).

See more words with the same meaning: sports (related to).

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253834 - 10/17/16 05:11 PM

Don't be a jabroni..

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #253835 - 10/17/16 05:22 PM

I thought it was that thing that made the ice pretty between quarters?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: dabs]
      #253842 - 10/19/16 03:16 PM

Stayed up for that game last night. Forkin crawdadin the neutral zone about 11:30 made me wish I hadn't.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253843 - 10/19/16 05:42 PM

crawdadin....

Is that some high level hockey talk?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #253844 - 10/20/16 05:28 AM

If you post here, it is mandatory to stay away from anything approaching high level.

If I have crossed that boundary, I apologize.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
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crawdadin....

Is that some high level hockey talk?




Probably on the same level as jabroni


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      #253846 - 10/20/16 05:36 PM

indeed.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #253859 - 10/23/16 12:13 PM

Bubba, you know what a hat trick is?

Hint, it does not involve a woman.

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      #253861 - 10/23/16 05:09 PM

Of course I do. A hat trick occurs when an individual hockey player is fortunate enough to score 3 goals in a game.

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      #253864 - 10/24/16 12:52 AM

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Of course I do. A hat trick occurs when an individual hockey player is fortunate enough to score 3 goals in a game.

Do you know what a dirty Sanchez is?




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Of course I do. A hat trick occurs when an individual hockey player is fortunate enough to score 3 goals in a game.

Do you know what a dirty Sanchez is?




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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253870 - 10/24/16 05:11 PM

You ain't one of them big city Socialists , are ya?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #253872 - 10/25/16 10:34 AM

Pretty much in the middle.

Worst place you can be these days. And for some time now.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253879 - 10/26/16 10:49 AM

Do you want to know how bad the game was last night and how bad the Blues looked?........I sold my tickets for Saturday's game against LA before I even left the Scottrade Center. I'm just not paying to watch that bullchit.

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      #253881 - 10/26/16 12:08 PM

Feel for ya. Talked with another fan who went and said it was pathetic to be there.

I watched more baseball last night than hockey.

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      #253884 - 10/26/16 05:31 PM

Should have called me, I would have taken them. No wait ,I'll be at duck camp , never mind.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #253921 - 11/02/16 11:18 AM

If that were a boxing match last night in Madison Square I believe one would say the Blues got knocked out.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #253958 - 11/07/16 01:10 PM

So we started off great, looking like a team that knows what they are doing.

Then, a tad bit of mediocrity for a few.

Then, well, burp.

Now, win 2 in a row, actually scoring a crooked number yesterday.

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      #253959 - 11/07/16 01:26 PM

I was in the building yesterday.......and the Blues looked good. I'm not sold....because Colorado looked horrible....and they were dealing with the death of a recently retired player. The night before the beat a Blue Jacket team that had just come off a very emotional 10-0 win over Montreal and then traveled. I think the Blues got both teams at a level less then their best.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254004 - 11/14/16 10:34 AM

Boyz... WTF is going on with my Blues? I've been working like a Hebrew slave, traveling way too much and cramming in some hunting, when I'm not working. So I have been following the Blues by reading articles and watching highlights or more accurately, lowlights...

Looks like some of the boyz aren't buying into Hitch's method of play or they just aren't giving it the effort. Either way, the lack of scoring is of concern... Once I hear from griffin and last stand, maybe I can get the in-depth analysis I need from Bubba...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #254007 - 11/15/16 05:56 AM

I didn't see the Saturday night massacre.

But my worst fears about Allen are looking real.

The team has looked nearly dysfunctional recently.

Hitch has more players in the dog house than the dog house can hold.

They are playing way under their potential. I don't know what's up but it ain't good. Hopefully, Saturday was rock bottom and they come back from there.

But they better put their big boy pants on and start checking people and playing as a team or they are dead meat.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254008 - 11/15/16 08:40 AM

is the goalie really that bad or does the defense (or lack of) in front of him suck balls??

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: HAUS]
      #254009 - 11/15/16 09:23 AM

I believe the goalie along with the rest of the team will be fine...give it time.

The super moon has the world by the balls right now....give it time .

I've got a pistol that will not re-assemble........Trump was elected and the othe idjets riot.

Got a tiller that won't quite start and run.

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      #254011 - 11/15/16 09:37 AM

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is the goalie really that bad or does the defense (or lack of) in front of him suck balls??




The guy can play lights out and then snap, a forkin mac truck goes thru his legs. Been that way since day one. So on one hand he's great....and I'm no goalie expert..... but imo he has basic fundamental issues, the worst kind to have.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254012 - 11/15/16 11:14 AM

I would bet they look good tonight. After stinking up the last few games, I'm guessing the last few practices were very focused on correcting things. Hitch and Yeo are solid, seasoned coaches that can identify the problems and set a course for correction. It certainly isn't a lack of talent, as we saw in the first few weeks of the season. That leaves execution or effort... Let's hope we don't have an attitude or chemistry problem with this bunch.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #254013 - 11/15/16 03:07 PM

They are pressing to score and now it's gotten to the point of exposing the rear for sake of offense which they still can't manage.

I agree, they should get back to basics and go from there.

I'm hearing lot's of talk and criticism of the 2 coach situation.

I don't know if that's it or not. But it shouldn't be.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254014 - 11/15/16 06:39 PM

Their goalie sucks and they are soft......end of story.

But hey.....we got Perron.

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem the Blues have had for the last 3 years, in the era of salary cap, is Berglund. He's handcuffed this team from making decent moves more than any other issue.

I've got good tickets for 8 more games (club seats).......Bueller?? (I've already sold the tickets from my 2 and 3 game)

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      #254015 - 11/15/16 07:04 PM

But.but..but.. Hitch is a genius! Everybody said so!

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There is nothing wrong with Hitchcock....he's not playing.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254018 - 11/16/16 07:06 AM

So, I watched all three periods last night and was pleased for the most part. Keep in mind, however, Buffalo sucks and their missing their two best players. We'll get a better read against San Jose Thursday night...

What concerns me is the sloppy and loose play in their own end. The forced and unforced turnovers are far too frequent. They need to tighten that up a whole bunch. You make those kinds of mistakes against top tier teams and you'll be in a hole quicker than you can say "He shoots he scooooorrrres"

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #254019 - 11/16/16 07:47 AM

Pleased??? With that???

Over a dozen giveaways in your own end?

Blues win.....thanks the crossbar and goalpost.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254020 - 11/16/16 09:49 AM

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Pleased??? With that???


A 4-1 victory where you out-shot, out-hit and out-played the opponent is generally considered a good thing...

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griffin said:Over a dozen giveaways in your own end?


That was addressed as the concern. Not sure about the "Over a dozen..." part...

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griffin said:Blues win.....thanks the crossbar and goalpost.


Crossbars and goalposts are part of the game. Sometimes they help you, sometimes they hurt you. The goalies say if it hadn't hit the post, it would have hit me...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254021 - 11/16/16 10:21 AM

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There is nothing wrong with Hitchcock....he's not playing.




Yep year after year it's never his fault...
So who will they get rid of at the end of this season because he doesn't fit Hitch's system? Tarasenko? Fabbri? Schwartz?

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      #254022 - 11/16/16 11:58 AM

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Yep year after year it's never his fault...
So who will they get rid of at the end of this season because he doesn't fit Hitch's system? Tarasenko? Fabbri? Schwartz?





I'm pretty confident they'll get rid of Hitch..

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There is nothing wrong with Hitchcock....he's not playing.




Yep year after year it's never his fault...
So who will they get rid of at the end of this season because he doesn't fit Hitch's system? Tarasenko? Fabbri? Schwartz?




What years?

The five straight years he has taken us to the playoffs?

Should we go back to Kitchen, Murray or Payne?? Do you remember 2005-2010?

Even now, with all the team problems, it's hardly Hitchcocks fault who he has on the ice and how they are performing.

Hitch was left with a transition team this year. He's gone next year. It doesn't look like he brought us a Cup, I'll give you that. But until 2 of our centers begin to play real hockey this team is going to struggle to find any kind of win against the better teams, I don't care who is behind the bench.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254025 - 11/16/16 07:02 PM

OK so you're satisfied with just "Making the playoffs"? I'm NOT! I'm old and have been a Blues fan since the beginning. I have dreams of seeing someone wearing the Note hoisting Lord Stanley's Cup. I'm very confident it won't happen with Hitch at the reins.. And I realize that the man has been successful, but he hasn't won a Stanley Cup in this millenium..

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: IIFID]
      #254026 - 11/17/16 05:17 AM

I say there's good coaches, great coaches and bad coaches.

A great coach is actually a good coach with great players.

Hitch is not a "bad" coach.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254027 - 11/17/16 05:37 AM

Here's Fabbri after the game taking on the much bigger Gorges the other night:

“I don’t know what got into me there, but I just felt like I wanted to be that guy,” Fabbri said. “I went out on that shift and asked him. The funny part was, he’s like: ‘Are you serious?’ I’m like, ‘Well, yeah, kinda.’”

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      #254029 - 11/17/16 12:07 PM

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I say there's good coaches, great coaches and bad coaches.

A great coach is actually a good coach with great players.

Hitch is not a "bad" coach UNTIL THE PLAYOFFS START.


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      #254034 - 11/18/16 03:49 AM

3-2 win over the Sharks. Moving in the right direction...

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      #254040 - 11/20/16 06:02 AM

3-1 win over Nashville. 3 straight wins at home. They've cleaned up the play transitioning out of the defensive zone, for the most part. Still not perfect but much better. The hustle and intensity if much better overall...

As predicted Hitchcock and Yeo cleaned it up and it looks like the players have bought-in and are playing Hitch's game. Quite frankly, I like watching his style of play. The straightforward, vertical play and tenacious forechecing is just more entertaining to watch, when a team has the skill to make it work ... and this team has the skill...

The next 2 games will be a good test to see how they're progressing. Boston and Washington on the road. Both are good teams and will require their A game. 2 or 3 points out of those two games would be good... We also get to see our old buddy Backes. I wonder if Fabbri will take him on...

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      #254041 - 11/20/16 04:08 PM

You won't see Fabbri take him on but it is at least possible you might see Reaves do it.

Hitch has been letting the 4th line go against opposing teams #1 and 2 lines. Backes might be looking for some fun and find Mr. Reaves instead.

It's the 4th line that is playing old school. The other three are trying.

Whatever it takes for the puck to get in the net is ok with me. Blues have to hang and make a move late like last year. I hope.

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      #254050 - 11/22/16 05:10 PM

That tenacious forechecking is key..

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That tenacious forechecking is key..




It was key last night and led the boyz in blue to a big road win... 4 in a row but more importantly, a good showing on the road against a good team. And without one of the top 3 or 4 players, in Steen.

Gotta cut down on the penalties. It is becoming a big issue that needs to be addressed..

Washington tonight. A win would be huge. A point would be nice. Even a loss in a good showing isn't all bad. I just hope they don't lay an egg and use the "tired" excuse...

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      #254056 - 11/23/16 03:08 PM

Well, the Caps are on 2 days rest in the middle of a home stand and the Blues with a back to back roadie.

The Boston game had a ton of upside. Coming back in the game, Allen sharp on the road, Stasny finally getting another goal.

It was one of their best performances as a team all season.

I agree....there is much to be said for this team ending the up/down thing and being plain good most nights.

Can't believe I'm saying it, but I'm coming around to be a Peron fan. But I'm still rubbing my eyes every time I see him back checking.

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      #254057 - 11/23/16 04:36 PM

Puck Ferrron......he sucks the same as he always has.

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      #254058 - 11/23/16 04:45 PM

I knew that'd get a rise out of you.

Settle down now Bubba. I'm talking to griffin.

Ferron doesn't puck anymore. Ferron is a second generation Blue now. Hitch shipped him out and now Hitch pulled him back into the fold.

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      #254073 - 11/27/16 12:35 AM

For the record....I am not behind this team yet. Tarasenko looks like chit and I don't like Stastny, Perron, or Allen...so save it. This team will not win with those players as "stars".

Until the Blues play a game, win or lose, when they are not on the minus side of defensive giveaways, I'm out.

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      #254074 - 11/27/16 06:31 AM

Sure there's all that and even more.

But they are 2nd in the West after 20+ games.

Out? I'll keep you posted. These guys are warts and all miles ahead of where I thought they'd be. The way I look at it, it's all house money they have nothing to lose.

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Sure there's all that and even more.

But they are 2nd in the West after 20+ games.

Out? I'll keep you posted. These guys are warts and all miles ahead of where I thought they'd be. The way I look at it, it's all house money they have nothing to lose.



Well yeah.. I mean it wasn't like anyone ever expects them to be a Cup contender.. with that Coach. Sorry, couldn't help it..

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      #254077 - 11/28/16 04:47 PM

Ya see the Griffins made State Champs?

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      #254078 - 11/29/16 09:57 AM

I sure didn't expect it considering their regular season record but the boys got on a run. Crazy that Kirkwood won 6A so there are two state champs in Kirkwood!

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do you guys think manning can take the broncos all the way to the super bowl?

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      #254080 - 11/29/16 04:54 PM

I started watching that donkey/squaw game at 10:00 Sunday nite and got sucked in to the end.One of the few nfl game segments I've see this year.

It reminded me of some of the Rams more revealing moments. I was mesmerized.

Kubiaks FG decision was worth staying up for. So Fisher-esque. It's amazing what happens to these guys in the thick of it.

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      #254081 - 11/29/16 07:42 PM

Give him a break! He had a late dinner reservation at a restaruant that's almost impossible to get into.. I can't think of any other reason for that bone headed move and I root for the Chefs!

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do you guys think manning can take the broncos all the way to the super bowl?

do you think the rams will move to los angeles after the season and will fisher piss off Dickerson?






All things that I'm sure Griffin has the answer to..


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      #254083 - 11/30/16 05:26 PM

For those interested:

Defensive turnovers against the Stars on Monday

Blues 9
Stars 12

Griffins back in.

On other good news tid bits, rumor has it the Blues will drop the Wolves in Chicago and their new AHL affiliate will be located in.....KC.

My, it's going to be so nice having the west siders cheering on our Blues. This is true brotherhood. Bubba now bleeds blue.

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      #254085 - 12/01/16 08:42 AM

I'm not back yet. There is something about this team that I don't like and it's making it hard for me to get behind them. The team has no soul, and there is nothing that I can find that makes watching them enjoyable.

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there is nothing that I can find that makes watching them enjoyable.





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there is nothing that I can find that makes watching them enjoyable.





not even a case of IPA??






No....watching them just sucks, no matter how much I drink. In fact, those bastards even kill the enjoyment of drinking. I've got tickets for the Montreal game next week and told my daughter she can take a friend and I won't go. Eventually I will settle in on what I hate about this team......but Perron, Stasny, Berglund, and Allen are prime suspects. I can't stand any of them.

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there is nothing that I can find that makes watching them enjoyable.





not even a case of IPA??






No....watching them just sucks, no matter how much I drink. In fact, those bastards even kill the enjoyment of drinking. I've got tickets for the Montreal game next week and told my daughter she can take a friend and I won't go. Eventually I will settle in on what I hate about this team......but Perron, Stasny, Berglund, and Allen are prime suspects. I can't stand any of them.




So, let's review: They are 2nd in their Division, 2nd in the Western Conference and 4th in the entire NHL. And that is with a mini-losing streak already. WTF makes you happy?

They are a new team of sorts with some key guys gone, some new guys in place and a whole new coaching staff behind Hitchcock. Any hockey-knowledgeable, sane, non-grumpy person would expect it to take at least 20-30 games for all of that to gel into a cohesive unit. From what I've seen in the last 10 games or so, they have gelled about as good as you can gel. Plenty to criticize, to be sure, but overall, they are doing pretty well...

Not sure why you have a hard-on for Perron but he's been fine. In fact, you could argue he has been better than expected. If you are basing it on the Perron that left, let me ask you this. Are you the same at your job in the 2nd half of your career as you were in the early years? Perhaps it is time to acknowledge that he is a pretty good hockey player and is doing pretty well. He's never going to compete with the NHL greats but he will get you 20-30 goals a year. He needs to clean up his 2-way game and be a little stronger in the defensive and neutral zones but I think Hitch will help him get better there.

I don't see this team a Cup contender either but that could still happen. They have the skill, speed talent and size. It is just a matter of putting it all together and gelling a little more. It will come. No need to hate on them and get all negative...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #254090 - 12/01/16 06:20 PM

Like I said, this team has no soul. Watch them when they get down early. Wait until crunch time comes and they need to play physical.....it will be a massacre.

I'd like to see a trade so I hope you're right.

Perron is all for Perron....always has been and always will be. I don't like him.

I'm trying bro.....you know I bleed it....but I'm having a hard time enjoying this team.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254091 - 12/01/16 10:40 PM

No soul my ass

Let somebody try forkin wiff Reaves and you'll see soul bro.
I like this bunch and enjoyed tonites game for sure.

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      #254095 - 12/02/16 05:38 AM

Well griff I know there was time when you did like Perron and the fact is he is playing better hockey now than whenever that was. Best of his career.

We don't have a #1 center, we barely have a #2. We have some overpaid forwards. I'm still not sold on Allen but he is trying hard to make his case. I'm not a fan of Jbo. Steen just showed up last night for the first time this year.

But they do give a chit. 2 behind the Blackhawks ain't chopped liver. The whole west remains wide open.

Personally, I don't think they have the horses. We'll find out in February and March. For now, result wise, not sure I can ask for more of this roster.

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      #254102 - 12/03/16 06:12 AM

Hitch seems to sum things up pretty well. They are not yet there.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/pr...7a89605883.html

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Well griff I know there was time when you did like Perron and the fact is he is playing better hockey now than whenever that was. Best of his career.

We don't have a #1 center, we barely have a #2. We have some overpaid forwards. I'm still not sold on Allen but he is trying hard to make his case. I'm not a fan of Jbo. Steen just showed up last night for the first time this year.

But they do give a chit. 2 behind the Blackhawks ain't chopped liver. The whole west remains wide open.

Personally, I don't think they have the horses. We'll find out in February and March. For now, result wise, not sure I can ask for more of this roster.




Yeah, I liked Perron when he first came up....great hands. Then I realized he didn't like to come off the ice and got caught short A LOT. Then I noticed that he really didn't like to pass the puck that much. Fork him......he's not going to be a winner at this level....he's nothing more than an upgraded Jim Campbell.

Horses???? Don't have the horses?? Dude.....this team, as it sits right now, will get destroyed when the playoffs come.

I know you want it like I do.....but you guys are delusional.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254113 - 12/05/16 06:00 AM

Maybe.

But the first big step for any chance at success was when you said:

"I'm out"

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
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Maybe.

But the first big step for any chance at success was when you said:

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254115 - 12/05/16 07:08 AM

Griff, take down the Backes fathead off your wall and pay attention. This team will not have their full identity and potential realized until the 2nd half of the season. New coaches, a new captain, some new players, new leaders, etc... When you consider that and look at where they are today, nothing to complain about that isn't nit-picking...

We're on the same page with the need for a player or two to round things out but those guys don't grow on trees and they don't come cheap when it comes to acquiring one... We'll just have to hold tight and see what happens with a possible trade. You just pray some GM thinks Berglund is worth more than a bag of practice pucks. Just unloading him for a crappy draft pick would be worth it to free up cap space and get some other player in the lineup. He may go down as the biggest waste of money in Blues history.

When this team plays the way Hitch wants them to play, they are as good as any team in the NHL. When they don't, they look like one of the worst. They just don't have the depth of skill players to overcome poor effort or poor execution. But they have enough talent to win. We've seen it. They have the size and speed to play with anyone in the playoffs. They will just have a hard time winning any games without good execution and 100% effort. You hear teams occasionally say they got lucky with a win, because they didn't play as good as they could have. That's not the Blues...

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      #254116 - 12/05/16 08:27 AM

I'm telling you.....this team is soft and CANNOT win in the playoffs.

I no longer give a rats arse what they do in the regular season....we're further down that road. Yep, they're winning some games now. I don't care.

This is another playoff train wreck in the making....and for what it's worth, I don't consider last year anything but a playoff success, so that's not what I'm talking about....I know how hard it is to win the cup.

This team, as it sits, is out in round 1 or 2....without question. I'm not supporting that any more.

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Griff, take down the Backes fathead off your wall and pay attention. This team will not have their full identity and potential realized until the 2nd half of the season. New coaches, a new captain, some new players, new leaders, etc... When you consider that and look at where they are today, nothing to complain about that isn't nit-picking...

We're on the same page with the need for a player or two to round things out but those guys don't grow on trees and they don't come cheap when it comes to acquiring one... We'll just have to hold tight and see what happens with a possible trade. You just pray some GM thinks Berglund is worth more than a bag of practice pucks. Just unloading him for a crappy draft pick would be worth it to free up cap space and get some other player in the lineup. He may go down as the biggest waste of money in Blues history.

When this team plays the way Hitch wants them to play, they are as good as any team in the NHL. When they don't, they look like one of the worst. They just don't have the depth of skill players to overcome poor effort or poor execution. But they have enough talent to win. We've seen it. They have the size and speed to play with anyone in the playoffs. They will just have a hard time winning any games without good execution and 100% effort. You hear teams occasionally say they got lucky with a win, because they didn't play as good as they could have. That's not the Blues...

Go Blue...




They've certainly won games in OT that should never have gone to OT. They've had some luck there for sure.

And what do you expect to get in trade for Bergy and his 7 point season? This team needs a #1 center of which there are none available of which if they were you are talking about sending a mix of Fabbri or Schwartz or Parayko off to get one.

Hell, the one guy that's talked about being traded more than any other is Shattenkirk and he has 19 points and DA can't find a fair deal for him.

I'm all for a super one sided trade that we come out on top of but that is going to be next to impossible to pull off. Lots of teams looking for the same talent. As long as the Blues are flirting at the top of the West, it won't be torn apart on a chance.

I looked at this year as a transition year. Hoping Schwartz and Fabbri and Parayko to catch up with a Steen, Tarasenko and a Petro to catch lightning in a bottle along with a F/A pickup or two for a run next year.

Agree when they are on they are on. Agree it's the second half that matters. Agree we are long shots for anything past the second round.

But count me in. After 50 years, whenever this team does it, I want to be on board.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254119 - 12/05/16 12:57 PM

Package Shattenkirk and Steen. Shattenkirk disappears in the playoffs...he's actually a beardedclam. Steen is constantly out hurt and when he isn't he's less that 80% of what he can be. Still, both could be of much greater value to a lesser roster then they are for the Blues. They're stuck with Berglund and Stasny because Berglund's contract is too big and nobody wants Stasny because he sucks.....we'll eventually be stuck with Perron the same way.

It really doesn't matter......none of the above, except for Steen, play with any real heart and with so many of them on one team they can get away with it.

But hey....they have Jake forking Allen as the #1 goalie.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254128 - 12/06/16 08:44 AM

ls - not looking for anything for Berglund. Just hoping to get him off the ice and unload what's left of the $3.7 million, at the end of this disastrous contract. And I'm not optimistic that anyone will take him unless he's packaged with someone they want and DA demands they take him as part of the deal. Even then the Blues will have to eat some of that contract...

And if they trade Parayko for anyone other than an all-star player, I'd be furious and go all griffin-like on the Blues... He's one of only 3 or 4 players on this team that I think can be a future HOF'er...

griff - Dude, you got a real hard-on for the boyz in Blue this year. I agree the team as it stands today will not make it past round 2. Especially with Chicago in the mix. If the Hawks are healthy and firing on all cylinders, they will be in the finals ... no matter what the Blues do with trades. But a lot can happen between now and April.

Allen is a non-factor. He isn't going to win or lose a Cup. He's good enough to support a good team. He isn't Patrick Roy or Martin Brodeur but not many are. And yes, he's fully capable of laying an egg, just like 95% of the netminders in the NHL. If they get on a roll in the playoffs, you hope he can play at the top of his game, maybe even steal one or two and avoid the ugly losses...

I don't see this team as soft. I see them with a tenacious forecheck and a pretty good 2-way game, when their on. The style Hitch wants them to play isn't as much about banging hard on the boards as much as it is finishing checks, cutting off passing lanes/angles and disrupting the other team's exit from the defensive zone. The only place I see them as weak or soft is in front of the net, where Backes and Brouwer could muck it up better than the guys we have now. As far as I'm concerned, that's where they need to be looking for a trade. But as stated earlier, so is every other team in the league...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #254129 - 12/06/16 09:23 AM

I put Parayko, in his second season, as a top 10 D man in the entire league. He will be a Norris winner.

Sorry, but Allen WILL BE a factor in the Blues post season. He is ranked 31st in save percentage, the one stat that means something. He wins primarily because the Blues D holds the shots down.

The irony is he makes most all of the tough saves while he then has mental lapse for the softee's he lets in. Those are the ones that kill you in the playoffs.

Allen must find consistency and be the guy he says he is. The dependable version.

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      #254133 - 12/06/16 12:42 PM

I'll be in the building tonight. I've loved the Habs since I was a kid. I'm trying to come around on this team.....a really good effort tonight could go a long way against a really good Montreal club.

If any of you delusional bastards are going tonight my seats are in club sec. 106....come say hi....I'll buy you a beer.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254135 - 12/06/16 05:45 PM

Will they let me in the club seats?

Appreciate the offer, this one's on the sofa for me. Hope you are bringing home a big win for a change! bwaaaaaaaa

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      #254137 - 12/07/16 05:44 AM

I was shocked they came back to win that game. Pretty much like a microcosm of the year so far.

They don't give up, showed some good stuff there in the 3rd.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254138 - 12/07/16 07:33 AM

The game was VERY close to being out of hand in the second period with Montreal hitting a couple of posts and missing some shots out-right. Man, that is a fast team! The Blues are no slouch in that regard but they were getting beat to most pucks through 2 periods. Their transition game is getting better and they played good positional hockey, a must against a team like the Canadiens or they will just out skate you.

The 3rd period might be the best period of hockey I have seen the Blues play this year against a top tier team.

Nice win for the Blues.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254139 - 12/07/16 09:38 AM

Blues play Islanders next, don't be fooled they are hot and just coming from knocking off the Rangers.Blues need to fix their road issues.

Islanders have a local D kid from Webster on their roster, Scott Mayfield. Drafted 33rd I think a few years ago. A goal and 2 assists in 3 games played. Good kid, sure he's thrilled to be facing the Blues.

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      #254144 - 12/09/16 08:20 AM

ya'll might ought to cut griff some slack on his crankiness...

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      #254153 - 12/11/16 06:07 PM

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I'm telling you.....this team is soft and CANNOT win in the playoffs.

I no longer give a rats arse what they do in the regular season....we're further down that road. Yep, they're winning some games now. I don't care.

This is another playoff train wreck in the making....and for what it's worth, I don't consider last year anything but a playoff success, so that's not what I'm talking about....I know how hard it is to win the cup.

This team, as it sits, is out in round 1 or 2....without question. I'm not supporting that any more.

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ya'll might ought to cut griff some slack on his crankiness...

in case you forgot, the dude's got lyme's disease..









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      #254172 - 12/14/16 05:47 AM

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Allen is a non-factor. He isn't going to win or lose a Cup. He's good enough to support a good team.




Jake forking Allen.

I'm not sure that bastard wasn't paid to throw that game last night.....what a joke.

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      #254173 - 12/14/16 06:05 AM

He's all about Dependable all right.

He's their best customer.

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      #254175 - 12/14/16 11:22 AM

At least with Allen between the pipes ya'all have something to blame instead of Hitchcock!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: IIFID]
      #254178 - 12/14/16 11:23 PM

I'm going to say it again.....the Blues lack heart and toughness. Once the Predators got on their forecheck the Blues were toast. Turnover after turnover in their own end....same old story.

Has anyone seen Lehtera? Does he even play for the Blues anymore? Could that beardedclam Perron even make a AAA roster? Can Allen even stand up or does he crawl around his house too?

I don't want to hear about their place in the standings.....this team is out in the first round.

Honestly.....with the parity in the NHL, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO BLOW A 3 GOAL LEAD!!!!!!! You can only do that if you lack heart and character.

Terrible.............TERRIBLE!!!!!!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254179 - 12/15/16 06:58 AM

If I was you, I would be done with them!!!!...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254180 - 12/15/16 07:12 AM

Lehtera and Burglund are the big problems with this club. Both play and heart missing most nights in the middle of the ice.

Allen can kill this deal all by hisself too.

Hitch should give 15 minutes to the 4th line and take it from the 3rd.

Perron is no where near a problem.

Not sure where this team is going. Sound familiar?

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      #254181 - 12/15/16 09:51 AM

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I'm going to say it again.....the Blues lack heart and toughness. Once the Predators got on their forecheck the Blues were toast. Turnover after turnover in their own end....same old story.

Has anyone seen Lehtera? Does he even play for the Blues anymore? Could that beardedclam Perron even make a AAA roster? Can Allen even stand up or does he crawl around his house too?

I don't want to hear about their place in the standings.....this team is out in the first round.

Honestly.....with the parity in the NHL, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO BLOW A 3 GOAL LEAD!!!!!!! You can only do that if you lack heart and character.

Terrible.............TERRIBLE!!!!!!

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It is possible when you have momentum and your goalie gives up two soft goals in a row in a little over two minutes. I said when the second one went in that the game was over and the Blues were done. I wish I wasn't right in this case but I was..

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: IIFID]
      #254183 - 12/15/16 04:24 PM

Devils tonight and they will be looking for payback.

I won't see much of this one but one of you knuckleheads bring home the winner.

On a side note, it says below their are 14 "viewers" here right now. Just curious..... who in the fork is wasting their time reading this dump's fodder??

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      #254201 - 12/19/16 06:00 AM

Blues now 10 points behind the Hawks.

That is all.

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Blues now 10 points behind the Hawks.

That is all.




Playoff update.....

As it stands now the Blues would face the Wild in the first round.....they're out in 5 games against that team.

That is REALLY all.

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      #254205 - 12/19/16 12:11 PM

I went Saturday night. While we did not play a great game, it was certainly entertaining. Hitch had some big time head scratching moves that night too.

Jake the fork Allen was Jakin it again.Darling wasn't much better, but at least he's a back up.

Come to think of it, maybe that's what Allen really is. The Blues and their goalie woes. Good God.

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      #254210 - 12/19/16 09:32 PM

Dude c'mon.....a goalie isn't that important with the defense we have....lots of teams go deep with their goalie ranked 35th in save%.....happens all the time.

This team, as it sits, is going nowhere.

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      #254211 - 12/20/16 05:17 AM

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Dude c'mon.....a goalie isn't that important with the defense we have....lots of teams go deep with their goalie ranked 35th in save%.....happens all the time.

This team, as it sits, is going nowhere.

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      #254219 - 12/21/16 08:41 AM

I see Perron got the OT winner last night......his first goal in 11 games, and only his 2nd point during the same span.

Tell me again how this guy is an asset to the team?

I'm not surprised he can score in a 3 on 3 situation......there's no hitting going on so he doesn't have to be scared.

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I see Perron got the OT winner last night......his first goal in 11 games, and only his 2nd point during the same span.

Tell me again how this guy is an asset to the team?

I'm not surprised he can score in a 3 on 3 situation......there's no hitting going on so he doesn't have to be scared.

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You gotta find that bone to pick. I understand.

But I'll play. Perron was the guy who kept the puck in the zone on extra effort and got it to Schwartz who made a great failing attempt and yeah, Perron was there to scoop it up and make the perfect wrap around. So pretty much no goal without Perron, he was there twice to make it happen.

And guess who was standing in front of the net on Berglunds goal?

He's not the second coming of Christ. But this team has far more problems to talk about than David Perron. Well, for fans who know wtf they are talking about anyway.bwaaaaaaa

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      #254221 - 12/21/16 11:52 PM

Yeah, you're right....Stasny and Allen and Lehtera and a complete lack of heart, or grit, or whatever you want to call it.

And yeah, Perron.....you know, with all those winning teams he's been a part of. He's a real help when the chips are down. LMAOOOOOOOOOO

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      #254222 - 12/22/16 06:24 AM

No way is Perron in the same disappoint class as those three.

He's never been a tough guy so I don't know why you expect that out of him now.

Hell, he's got 2 more points than Backes this year. bwaaaaaaaaaa

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      #254223 - 12/22/16 08:22 AM

Dude... he's the exact opposite of a tough guy. His game shrinks to nothing when it gets physical. Pay attention dammit!

He has never and will never be a part of a successful nhl program. Period.

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      #254227 - 12/22/16 08:14 PM

LS - you can find everything I hate about Perron at the 14:00 mark of the 3rd period in tonight's game. The Blues are bringing the puck out of their end but the forwards are gassed. The defense, rightfully, throws the puck back to give the forwards a chance to get off the ice. In fact, both teams make a change......ONE guy gets caught and doesn't get off the ice.......guess who? Yeah.....your boy, the same as he ever was. Only two explanations for that......either you are just not a team player, or your head is so far up your ass you aren't even in the game.....either one fits that idiot.

Perron has great hands.....there can be no question of that. If you remember, i was a big fan when he came up and thought he'd turn into a perennial 30-40 goal scorer. His hands are that good. Look at his goal tonight......genius. But he can't play the game....which is why he's never been a part of a winning program. And he sure as hell can't play when the game gets rough....he hates to get hit or hit anyone.

David Perron is a picture of everything that is wrong with the Blues now.....same as he was the first time around with this team. Bringing him back was a joke.

And another loss off an early lead for the Note.....no heart....none.

IF this team makes the playoffs (and that's a loooong way from a sure thing) they won't get out of the first round. Perron is part of the problem.....same as he ever was.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254229 - 12/24/16 08:13 AM

As long as we keep this little dispute where it belongs I am fine with that. The question is, is he a "problem" player.

You have presented your case, I get it, and I agree no way is he the ultimate 200' hockey player. But he is getting up and down the ice like never before. He is back checking, cycling the puck less, looking for his mates more.

Basically, he's a far better hockey player than he was when he left after his very disappointing years here. I was in full favor of trading him. But he's better today because he has widened his game and far less selfish.

The Blues biggest problems are in goal and pretty much the 3 center positions. Then Steen. Then not having ONE of a Rattie or Jaskin or Paajarvi developing into something really good.

There's plenty of targets to go around but Perron is not on the list of problems for this team. We need his offense but he's got the hits, the takeaways and enough of the 200' game to prove it.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254231 - 12/24/16 12:12 PM

Bringing Perron BACK is certainly on the list of problems for this team.....it was a stupid move by a front office that has lost it's way. The team mirrors that.

Your Captain is -9??? Your #1 goalie isn't even in the top 25 in the league? DAVID FRIGGIN' PERRON IS YOUR #5 SCORER??????

Mark my word.....this team is in danger of not making the playoffs....and bringing players like Perron, PERENNIAL LOSERS, back to the team was a joke beyond comprehension.

I hate this version of the Blues. They have no character and no heart. Hell, I was never even a Backes fan....but he looks like Mark Messier compared to the dogs the Blues are running out there now.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254235 - 12/25/16 07:50 AM

griffin putting all that on DP is ridiculous.

We lost Backes, Brouwer and Elliott. Perron is not here to replace any of them, don't blame him because his game is not suited to do that or that Army did not set this team up properly.

He's a concussed player, I mean big time seriously so. He probably shouldn't even be playing. There's heart in that, whether it's the kind you like or not.

I don't disagree with the majority of what you are saying about management and the team on the ice, in fact I agree with most of it. I'm just knit picking this blame on Perron and tagging him as some huge force pulling the Blues down. He isn't. And yes, the Blues need scorers badly.

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      #254237 - 12/25/16 08:27 AM

Wait......are you telling me that I shouldn't be critical of Perron because he is concussed and probably shouldn't even be playing?? (are you related to him or something?) I shouldn't be critical of the Blues for bringing in a player that shouldn't even be playing?

This is the NHL....it's a business. If you can't play (and I agree he can't) then you are out of the league. I'm NOT paying to watch players that shouldn't be playing (as long as they also really CAN'T play).

And don't worry.....when he's gone I'm going to start on one of the other useless bastards filling this roster .....but Perron was ALREADY GONE from a team that couldn't win (and he was a big part of the reason why) so he's first.

And yeah, Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254239 - 12/25/16 01:16 PM

Point on the concussion comment was to say he shouldn't be playing on his own account, having nothing to do with what his abilities are. If he were Wayne Gretzky with the same concussion history I'd say the same thing. It's a personal choice he's made.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254244 - 12/25/16 03:02 PM

Fire Perron!! Bring back Oshie!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #254246 - 12/25/16 05:18 PM

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Fire Perron!! Bring back Oshie!



Obviously you don't pay attention! A couple of years ago it was determined by the experts on here that it was ALL Oshies fault!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: IIFID]
      #254247 - 12/25/16 08:42 PM

Nobody is missing Oshie......I'm glad he's gone and he can stay gone.

Still.....somebody tell me what we got for Oshie, Elliott, and Backes.

As soon as I get done flaming these bastards pretending to be hockey players I'm going to get started on the front office of this mess.........I'd take a flamethrower to that end of the building.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254260 - 12/29/16 06:10 PM

Lucky enough to go last night. Rough sluggish start but man it ended with a bang, had some fun.

Loved that game winner by Perron too.

Hutton needs to play more. It seems Allen has to be pushed and I'm about done with him if he doesn't get it right soon so Hutton should be more game ready than he is now.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254267 - 12/30/16 03:11 PM

Keep Perron!!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #254268 - 12/30/16 03:20 PM

Where's Ryan Miller when you need him? Bring back Marty Brodeur!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: IIFID]
      #254276 - 01/02/17 10:40 AM

Hawks-Blues.

Be there! Hope the Blues are!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254277 - 01/02/17 04:54 PM

the hawks up!

I liked it

Texted Ojibway to keep him up 2 the minute on skaters as him was chasin D. Duck.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: fastman]
      #254287 - 01/06/17 09:35 AM

Ol' Jake the Snake gave up another soft one with the Blues in the lead for the opponent to tie it. And again, as it has happened numerous times, they folded like a house of cards in a wind storm..

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: IIFID]
      #254309 - 01/11/17 08:06 AM

How can I put this?

ummmmmmmm......Allen sucks.

It appears Armstrong does as well. I've stood behind him on most of his moves but dishing Elliott then extending this guy well before he had to for 4 years is too much.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254311 - 01/11/17 05:35 PM

You normally are..

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254313 - 01/11/17 09:08 PM

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How can I put this?

ummmmmmmm......Allen sucks.

It appears Armstrong does as well. I've stood behind him on most of his moves but dishing Elliott then extending this guy well before he had to for 4 years is too much.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
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You normally are..




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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254318 - 01/12/17 05:43 PM

Grab your coloring book and head to your safe place...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #254319 - 01/12/17 08:56 PM

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

LS was triggered.

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      #254320 - 01/12/17 09:42 PM

Trigger?

Is that you Roy?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254321 - 01/12/17 09:53 PM

You gotta admit, LS........that Jake Allen is a stud.....he'll be fine to lead the Blues further into the playoffs.

He's playing well tonight.....only 4 goals in 17 shots.

Armstrong will at least be happy he hasn't gotten off his knees....which, judging from his play the last few years (on his knees), HAS to be the only reason he's still here.

This team is a joke.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254322 - 01/12/17 10:19 PM

Oh.....now I see why they kept Allen.......so he could teach Hutton how to stay on his knees too.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254325 - 01/13/17 10:27 AM

Anybody watch Pang after last nights game? Arguably one of the biggest homers in the game was beside himself......it was obvious he is quickly losing respect for this team. No second effort he kept saying......same thing as no heart, no character.

With 60% of their remaining games on the road and currently only 2 pts. away from losing the last playoff spot.....they are done without significant trade moves.

When the Blues miss the playoffs Armstrong has to go and the rebuilding process has to start over. There is currently no base of leadership. It's just a bunch of Perron's doing their own thing....and none of them are good enough for that.

Barely halfway through and the fat lady is warming up.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254327 - 01/14/17 10:02 AM

If you go back and read, I was on the Allen move since day 1. Not that it matters. I wish it wasn't the case.

I think the Allen move and then of all things the extension should be the end of DA's reign.

I agree the fat lady has stood up. I would bring Copley up. No, actually, I would have brought the kid up a week ago. Can it be any worse?

Careful there quoting the Panger. He twice mentioned how well Perron was playing during that very game.

No doubt this team is in trouble and in disarray. It's gonna take a miracle to turn it around. I'd start at the net.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254328 - 01/14/17 10:41 AM

This team can't play together......and all Perron is for me is the perfect example and embodiment of that. That very trait has been the knock on Perron his entire career.....the entire league knows this. Stasny has the same reputation. Neither has EVER been a good teammate. They are a cancer on a team....always have been.

Tear this team down and start over. There isn't a character guy on the entire roster.....and it shows in the play.

This is a team that is too slow to play the "fast" game they are trying to play, and too small and unwilling to play a physical game that a slow team must play. Top that off with a bunch of guys out to show they are not the scoring problem by going it alone and you have what you are seeing......a bad hockey team.

This team will not finish in the top 20 in league standings.

Start over......and start with the GM.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254329 - 01/14/17 05:29 PM

I'm a forking Blues fan I will watch and cheer and b1tch but I ain't writing them off just yet.

But I wouldn't bet a nickel you aren't right the way they are playing right now. And like you I saw it months ago too on the lacking issue. It's all catching up

Stasny has flopped since coming here albeit last years playoffs when the guy did show up until the Shark series when he went in the deep end like the rest of the team. Yes, he's back to being a problem.

I've heard it about Perron, Ive said it about Perron, but I see a much different guy out there today. We disagree on Perron. That ain't the end of the world.

We agree on most all of what we are seeing.

Allen is problem #1 right now. Stop the bleeding at the net and lace 'em up. It's ugly now but they drop the puck at 9:30 tonight and I've got nothing better to do but look for more better from these guys.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254330 - 01/14/17 09:58 PM

I'm watching too......and goddamit.....why can't Perron play every shift like he just played the shift he scored on? I rarely see him look to get rid of the puck and move it like he did there.....and he has the skill to play that way. Forking maddening.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254334 - 01/15/17 07:21 AM

After the game...and with a straight face....Panger said he "thinks" Copely will get the start tonight.

Send Allen down, bring up Copley ready or not, and run with that for two weeks and assess.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254340 - 01/15/17 04:34 PM

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #254341 - 01/15/17 05:28 PM

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: dabs]
      #254342 - 01/16/17 02:08 PM

There's actually talk of putting Allen back in net Tuesday nite.

I don't know how long Hutton can pull the rabbits out of his hat but please dear God let's find out.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254349 - 01/16/17 10:12 PM

I'll be there tomorrow, and if Allen is in goal I'll lead the boos for him and the Blues coaching staff. I don't know much about Hutton.....saw him in person against Dallas a few weeks ago and he played well...but I know he is 4-0-2 in his last 6 starts.....how hard can this be to stay with the hot hand?

Allen is a head case, and it looks like his teammates have lost confidence in him, let him sit.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254354 - 01/17/17 07:39 PM

After 2 periods it looks like Hutton can help us out......I mean, other than the fact that he can't skate or handle the puck, he's got a shot at #1 on this team.

Seriously, we are now pinning our hopes on a guy in goal who almost falls down every time he skates backwards, and if he tries to stick handle the puck he looks like Frankenstein.

We're like Cub's fans now......we can't even see how futile being loyal to this team is.

Fiery crash, that's how this season ends.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254355 - 01/18/17 05:33 AM

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We're like Cub's fans now......we can't even see how futile being loyal to this team is.

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bwaaaaaaa......swear I thought the exact same thing about a week ago.

And wtf, do we lose every time you go to a game?

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      #254356 - 01/18/17 01:48 PM

I think I've referenced the Flubs = The Note the last few seasons and took chit over it. Still don't see the difference. Just wait until the next goalie..err..season!

Yep it's the players fault! And the GM's fault! And the front office fault! But it certainly can't be Hitch's fault! He's won a Cup gawddammit!!


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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
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We're like Cub's fans now......we can't even see how futile being loyal to this team is.






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I think I've referenced the Flubs = The Note the last few seasons and took chit over it. Still don't see the difference. Just wait until the next goalie..err..season!

Yep it's the players fault! And the GM's fault! And the front office fault! But it certainly can't be Hitch's fault! He's won a Cup gawddammit!!




The comparison, for me, is the 50 years waiting on the Cup.

But at least the Blues have won a lot along the way. And 50 ain't 108.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254359 - 01/18/17 06:55 PM

So it's Hitchcock's fault that Elliot, Backes, Brauwer, and Ott are gone?? Dude....that was the heart of this team....there is barely a pulse now.

Sorry.....this ain't on the coach.

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So it's Hitchcock's fault that Elliot, Backes, Brauwer, and Ott are gone?? Dude....that was the heart of this team....there is barely a pulse now.

Sorry.....this ain't on the coach.



And with you it never was or will be. But wait! They had all of that heart last year and they got how far?
And you're using Steve Ott in an argument? Really? He of the lifetime season average +/- of -12? He of the 18 points (FIVE WHOLE GOALS!) in three season?
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So it's Hitchcock's fault that Elliot, Backes, Brauwer, and Ott are gone?? Dude....that was the heart of this team....there is barely a pulse now.

Sorry.....this ain't on the coach.



And with you it never was or will be. But wait! They had all of that heart last year and they got how far?
And you're using Steve Ott in an argument? Really? He of the lifetime season average +/- of -12? He of the 18 points (FIVE WHOLE GOALS!) in three season?
I can go back and find some of the comments you made about him if you want...




How far? Uh.....they were one of 4 teams still playing hockey....and they beat the #1 and #3 seeds to get there. For chrissakes, pay attention will you?

As for Ott....you won't find a single player or fan (who knows anything about hockey) that doesn't acknowledge his value to a team in the locker room and during the playoffs. Remember.....and I know you don't....he was injured for much of last season and really wasn't ready for the playoffs....but time and time again his value in the locker room was called out. Dude.....why don't you spend some time looking at how many winning clubs he's been on. I'm sure I had some disparaging remarks about his play from time to time....but we'd be a better team with him. It's not arguable.

Don't they have high school hockey at the Cow Palace where you could possibly bone up on the sport? No?....then go down to the pond at the end of your street when it freezes and watch the 10 year olds play....then come back with some interesting insight on the game. It'll be more entertaining than anything you've posted here so far.

Look......the coach is not the problem with this team.....get over it. Hitchcock will likely end up in the Hall of Fame. There will just be goofballs from cities who couldn't support a hockey team to oppose it.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254365 - 01/20/17 09:17 AM

You're right - Hitch can win regular season games for sure. What has winning regular season games gotten us?
And true, if you give him a team with the likes of Modano, Hull, Nieuwendyk, Lehtinen & Zubov (with Belfour between the pipes) he can even win a Stanley Cup. "Great" coaches get the best out of the players that they have on their roster. Yes this roster is lacking but do you think he's getting the best out of them? Is he getting 50% out of them? And to bring up one of your favorite things to rant on.. if you don't think the Great Hitchcock was involved, and on board with, bringing Ryan Miller in then you must be smoking with the Fastman.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: IIFID]
      #254367 - 01/20/17 11:41 AM

I'll agree that Hitchcock can't manage goalies.....but that's a moot point this year....he doesn't have one.

Sorry dude......in the history of hockey Hitchcock will be remembered as a great coach. 8 division titles in a 20 year career and a winning percentage over .600.

Get over it.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254368 - 01/20/17 11:59 AM

You're right as always Griff. He's a great coach! He has won ONE Stanley Cup and ONE Conference Championship (other than the Stanley Cup season) in his 20+ year NHL head coaching career. I'll just mention too that those were 18 and 19 years ago but that isn't pertinent I'm sure. And his playoff winning percentage with the Blues is .426! If you're satisfied with results like that I will be too. At least they won't flame out in the playoffs this year because it appears they probably won't make it. And if they do make in it, they won't be there for long. But hey it's OK because we have a GREAT Coach!

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      #254369 - 01/20/17 12:18 PM

Well, it is now the second half of January. A long as a team stays in the hunt to this point, how they play from here on out is all that matters. Many of the last 10-20 Cup winners were not #1 or #2 seeds...

That being said, this team has regressed tremendously in the last several weeks. We can speculate all day long about the reasons. The coaching set-up is odd with Yeo as the Head Coach-in-waiting. The goaltending has gone from adequate to poor (or worse). Key players seem to either have undisclosed injuries or they've just given up and are playing half-arsed. Clearly, the roster has a few holes that need filled, even if they were playing well...

I know the front office looked at this year as a crap shoot and understood it was probably going to be one step backwards to go two or three steps forward. The problem is over the last several weeks, it has been two or three steps backwards and it appears they can't seem to figure out how to get out of this funk.

Here is my suggestion for the rest of the season. Step one: Have Hitch resign and make it look like it is his idea. Give him a nice sendoff. Yeo is taking over eventually and the players know that. They can't use him like Asst. Coaches are normally used (as a buffer between the Head Coach and players). Just let him have the reigns now and start establishing the new order. Step two: Trade all players you are pretty sure you're not going to re-sign and get what you can for them. Step three: Start sending guys down or to the press box when they don't perform. Sit a guy like Steen or Perron a game or two and it will get all of the players' attention. This team needs a shake-up and it needs to be more than something minor.

In the meantime, I will continue to be a long suffering Blues fan, looking forward to next season...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #254371 - 01/20/17 03:38 PM

Have Hitch resign?!?!?!?!? WHAT?? You obviously have not been paying one iota of attention!! HE'S A GREAT COACH DAMMIT!

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Well, it is now the second half of January. A long as a team stays in the hunt to this point, how they play from here on out is all that matters. Many of the last 10-20 Cup winners were not #1 or #2 seeds...

That being said, this team has regressed tremendously in the last several weeks. We can speculate all day long about the reasons. The coaching set-up is odd with Yeo as the Head Coach-in-waiting. The goaltending has gone from adequate to poor (or worse). Key players seem to either have undisclosed injuries or they've just given up and are playing half-arsed. Clearly, the roster has a few holes that need filled, even if they were playing well...

I know the front office looked at this year as a crap shoot and understood it was probably going to be one step backwards to go two or three steps forward. The problem is over the last several weeks, it has been two or three steps backwards and it appears they can't seem to figure out how to get out of this funk.

Here is my suggestion for the rest of the season. Step one: Have Hitch resign and make it look like it is his idea. Give him a nice sendoff. Yeo is taking over eventually and the players know that. They can't use him like Asst. Coaches are normally used (as a buffer between the Head Coach and players). Just let him have the reigns now and start establishing the new order. Step two: Trade all players you are pretty sure you're not going to re-sign and get what you can for them. Step three: Start sending guys down or to the press box when they don't perform. Sit a guy like Steen or Perron a game or two and it will get all of the players' attention. This team needs a shake-up and it needs to be more than something minor.

In the meantime, I will continue to be a long suffering Blues fan, looking forward to next season...




Certainly nice not hearing from you that David Backes is not a good Captain. But wait......he was. Painfully clear kind of was.

Hitch isn't the problem but it won't surprise me to see him gone on his own or under pressure, it's SOP when it happens under these kinds of circumstances but hardly some whiz bang decision and imo it won't change much.

For starters right now just fix the friggen hole in front of the net. Copley should have been brought up a week ago but we had to coddle Allen one more friggen time, the 33rd time in his short career here. Copley has been good in Chicago but probably not truly ready but that's all Army has right now so let her fly.

If the goal tending gets to a level of decency then certain Steens, Stasnys and Lehteras need to play big boy hockey and earn their living. And it's no secret all their contracts are the equivalent of a sack of bricks on a swimmers neck.

But for right now, I'll take a decent goaltender over Yeo or any available coach out there. I think Yeo would too.

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You're right as always Griff. He's a great coach! He has won ONE Stanley Cup and ONE Conference Championship (other than the Stanley Cup season) in his 20+ year NHL head coaching career. I'll just mention too that those were 18 and 19 years ago but that isn't pertinent I'm sure. And his playoff winning percentage with the Blues is .426! If you're satisfied with results like that I will be too. At least they won't flame out in the playoffs this year because it appears they probably won't make it. And if they do make in it, they won't be there for long. But hey it's OK because we have a GREAT Coach!




Dude - I decided to write down everything you know about hockey on the head of a pin.

It turns out I've got some room leftover....you want me to fill the rest in with baseball?

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You're right as always Griff. He's a great coach! He has won ONE Stanley Cup and ONE Conference Championship (other than the Stanley Cup season) in his 20+ year NHL head coaching career. I'll just mention too that those were 18 and 19 years ago but that isn't pertinent I'm sure. And his playoff winning percentage with the Blues is .426! If you're satisfied with results like that I will be too. At least they won't flame out in the playoffs this year because it appears they probably won't make it. And if they do make in it, they won't be there for long. But hey it's OK because we have a GREAT Coach!




Dude - I decided to write down everything you know about hockey on the head of a pin.

It turns out I've got some room leftover....you want me to fill the rest in with baseball?

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Careful IIFID. You are approaching huntoften status...

I have to agree with griffin on the Hitch issue. He is a great coach, will be in the HOF and is no more than 10% of the problems with this team. We can argue about the other 90% all day long but we've seen what this team and the previous years' teams have done under him, when they play his style. The biggest issues right now are simply goaltending, effort and execution. Roster holes and coaching can't be ignored but they are far from the biggest problems.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254377 - 01/21/17 08:38 AM

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Certainly nice not hearing from you that David Backes is not a good Captain. But wait......he was. Painfully clear kind of was.




Let's review what the Blues won with him ... Review complete: NOTHING

Let's review his post seasons with the Blues:
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Above Average

He was a very good player that the Blues miss in the corners and mostly in front of the net. He led them to NOTHING and vanished when it counted far more than he the times he rose to the occasion.

Get over him... He's gone... And quit trying to rewrite history as some means to explain what's going on today...

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You're right as always Griff. He's a great coach! He has won ONE Stanley Cup and ONE Conference Championship (other than the Stanley Cup season) in his 20+ year NHL head coaching career. I'll just mention too that those were 18 and 19 years ago but that isn't pertinent I'm sure. And his playoff winning percentage with the Blues is .426! If you're satisfied with results like that I will be too. At least they won't flame out in the playoffs this year because it appears they probably won't make it. And if they do make in it, they won't be there for long. But hey it's OK because we have a GREAT Coach!




Dude - I decided to write down everything you know about hockey on the head of a pin.

It turns out I've got some room leftover....you want me to fill the rest in with baseball?

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Careful IIFID. You are approaching huntoften status...

Ain't skeert - he's banned me before on here...

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You're right as always Griff. He's a great coach! He has won ONE Stanley Cup and ONE Conference Championship (other than the Stanley Cup season) in his 20+ year NHL head coaching career. I'll just mention too that those were 18 and 19 years ago but that isn't pertinent I'm sure. And his playoff winning percentage with the Blues is .426! If you're satisfied with results like that I will be too. At least they won't flame out in the playoffs this year because it appears they probably won't make it. And if they do make in it, they won't be there for long. But hey it's OK because we have a GREAT Coach!




Dude - I decided to write down everything you know about hockey on the head of a pin.

It turns out I've got some room leftover....you want me to fill the rest in with baseball?

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And I get this kind of abuse when I agree that HE'S A GREAT COACH ??

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You're right as always Griff. He's a great coach! He has won ONE Stanley Cup and ONE Conference Championship (other than the Stanley Cup season) in his 20+ year NHL head coaching career. I'll just mention too that those were 18 and 19 years ago but that isn't pertinent I'm sure. And his playoff winning percentage with the Blues is .426! If you're satisfied with results like that I will be too. At least they won't flame out in the playoffs this year because it appears they probably won't make it. And if they do make in it, they won't be there for long. But hey it's OK because we have a GREAT Coach!




Dude - I decided to write down everything you know about hockey on the head of a pin.

It turns out I've got some room leftover....you want me to fill the rest in with baseball?

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And I get this kind of abuse when I agree that HE'S A GREAT COACH ??




Say it again and you can stay.

Dude, I've never banned you......there's only about 20 of us left.

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      #254383 - 01/22/17 09:36 AM

You absolutely did many years ago! You banned Wagner and then banned me just because I was Wagner's friend! LOL! I believe it was done in jest and lasted a whole three days or so. The most shocking part to me was that you knew how to run the ban hammer... or did you have someone else do ot?

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There is never a day that Wagner does not deserve to be banned......collateral damage is just what it is.

And dude, please, Dabs and Wu know who to come to for the technical parts of this board.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
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......there's only about 20 of us left.

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Certainly nice not hearing from you that David Backes is not a good Captain. But wait......he was. Painfully clear kind of was.




Let's review what the Blues won with him ... Review complete: NOTHING

Let's review his post seasons with the Blues:
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Above Average

He was a very good player that the Blues miss in the corners and mostly in front of the net. He led them to NOTHING and vanished when it counted far more than he the times he rose to the occasion.

Get over him... He's gone... And quit trying to rewrite history as some means to explain what's going on today...




Tear it down and start over. Get rid of Armstrong first....he's the guy who let the teams assets go with virtually no return....absolute mismanagement. Let Hitchcock finish his ride if he wants, or let him walk away. This isn't his fault.

This season is done, and there is no next year to look forward to without a fire sale. At this point I don't care who they trade, this team cannot play together. Bring in a GM with a plan and tear it down. I can support that.

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      #254390 - 01/23/17 03:41 PM

Which good front office person from another organization would step into this mess? I think the Blues ownership/organization probably doesn't have the best reputation at this point...

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      #254392 - 01/23/17 10:59 PM

Maybe the Note need to build an outside stadium/rink & try that first





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Which good front office person from another organization would step into this mess? I think the Blues ownership/organization probably doesn't have the best reputation at this point...




This mess? Are you serious? An ownership that will spend to the cap limit, some top tier players (including a few potential superstars in Tarasenko and Parayko), a strong fan base, top 4 finish just last season... I think you may have a serious misconception regarding how the Blues are viewed by serious hockey people. This would be a good job to land for most GM's and certainly for any prospective GM.

I would be surprised if they replace Armstrong. He / they made a few miscalculations this past offseason with the attempt to offset the loss in beef with speed. I think the idea was that some of these key players, making big money would see the opportunity and step it up a notch. They either overestimated their talent levels or their heart/character. I would say it is the heart/character issue because we watched this team excel in the first half of the season. Armstrong may not be the issue. I would think they will let Yeo run the ship for the rest of the season and then make a decision on Armstrong.

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      #254394 - 01/24/17 11:19 AM

Andy - I agree 100% with what you wrote about the organization and fan base being strong. But not about Armstrong. You really can't name a strong move he's made as a GM.....but you can certainly point to any number of boneheaded moves that have led to where this team is now. I've been calling this team out for no heart/character since the beginning of the season. It's just obvious to anyone who has spent a lot of time watching hockey. As for the team excelling in the first half.....bro, we are just a few games past the first half...I have seen no excelling. I've seen a few good games from them....but overall the effort and character of this team has been a problem since day 1.

This team will need to be re-built.....that means bringing in a new GM with a vision for the team and the assets it currently has. Armstrong can't get that done.....obviously.

I'm ok with letting Yeo have the reigns.....but only if it's done with the agreement of Hitchcock. He didn't create this mess. If you agree with that statement, then you can't possibly defend Armstrong.

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      #254397 - 01/25/17 02:11 AM

I just dreamed that the Note shut out the high scorin busniness suits birds 3 nil.

I know the heartless Blues could not have outdone the Pens cause.,,,,,,,

1......the birds are the highest scorin team around

& 2........the pens are like 26 and 2 @ home & 3......the pens have won like 4 or 6 in a row....

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      #254401 - 01/25/17 05:15 PM

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Certainly nice not hearing from you that David Backes is not a good Captain. But wait......he was. Painfully clear kind of was.




Let's review what the Blues won with him ... Review complete: NOTHING

Let's review his post seasons with the Blues:
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Horrible
Above Average

He was a very good player that the Blues miss in the corners and mostly in front of the net. He led them to NOTHING and vanished when it counted far more than he the times he rose to the occasion.

Get over him... He's gone... And quit trying to rewrite history as some means to explain what's going on today...




Rewrite?

Rewrite what you have written?

I haven't the time to clean up such a mess.

I was never a over the top Backes guy to begin with, I just saw that as a captain, he was not to blame for what ailed this team.

It's opinion, I'll leave it at that. But yours is full of ch1t.

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      #254402 - 01/25/17 05:24 PM

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Andy - I agree 100% with what you wrote about the organization and fan base being strong. But not about Armstrong. You really can't name a strong move he's made as a GM.....but you can certainly point to any number of boneheaded moves that have led to where this team is now. I've been calling this team out for no heart/character since the beginning of the season. It's just obvious to anyone who has spent a lot of time watching hockey. As for the team excelling in the first half.....bro, we are just a few games past the first half...I have seen no excelling. I've seen a few good games from them....but overall the effort and character of this team has been a problem since day 1.

This team will need to be re-built.....that means bringing in a new GM with a vision for the team and the assets it currently has. Armstrong can't get that done.....obviously.

I'm ok with letting Yeo have the reigns.....but only if it's done with the agreement of Hitchcock. He didn't create this mess. If you agree with that statement, then you can't possibly defend Armstrong.

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Until recently, I thought DA had something going.

But the wheels have fallen off the bus.

I won't blame him for the Backes defection so much, norr Brouwer, but contracts like Lehtera, Stasny and man o man the whole Allen deal have just really hurt this team. The players have caused the direct impact, but those contracts have multiplied them by tons. And the Steen signing may be in backfire mode itself.

The Jake Allen extension was the last straw for me. There was no good reason to extend him, of all people, but that's precisely what he did.

I am not sure Stillman will do it, he has a year left too, but cutting free of DA is ok with me.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254403 - 01/25/17 05:34 PM

Lots of rumors swirling around that Shattenkirk is being offered around as trade bait. What are you thoughts on that?
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      #254404 - 01/25/17 08:09 PM

I don't care if they trade Shattenkirk....or Steen, Perron, Allen, Lehtera, Berglund, Stasny, Fabbri, Tarasenko, Petrangelo, Hutton, Reeves, or anyone else on this team. Piss on them. Trade whoever needs to be traded to bring together a team that can play together with ANY degree of heart.

THIS VERSION OF THE BLUES CANNOT PLAY TOGETHER.....and isn't even entertaining to watch win they do win.....it just sucks.

Let's move on and get started with the rebuild.

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      #254405 - 01/26/17 12:38 PM

Whelp for those who still give a chit Broz is out for 5 weeks, 4th line now in peril.

They are bringing up Barbashev, I want to see how he's doing. Guessing Jaskin and Yak will get more time as well in the weeks ahead.

Barbashev is sposed to be a key player for Blues future. That be lookin more near future now.

Hope Hutton can hold the fort, tonight is going to be a major barn burner in the land of the hot hot Wild. I'm sure they are drooling at the thought of this erratic Blues team coming in.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254406 - 01/26/17 01:28 PM

Bro - the Blues DO NOT play "barn burner" hockey. When they do win they do it by slowing the game down to the point of watching paint dry.

I'm going to watch tonight with a can of spray cheese to rub in my hair.

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      #254407 - 01/26/17 02:57 PM

I could give a fork how they win.

You really need to take that burr out from your azz.

And please pass the cheese.

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I'm out of cheese......are there any other questions about this team? What a joke.

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      #254410 - 01/27/17 06:36 AM

B-lose must be hanging around with the Cardinals. No heart has been their trademark as well for many years.

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B-lose must be hanging around with the Cardinals. No heart has been their trademark as well for many years.




I gotta see if we can either ban the KC guys from all sports talk, or maybe get a forum where your opinion would be meaningful.....like a cow and grass forum.

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      #254412 - 01/27/17 12:23 PM

If that includes Bubba put me down for a second.

griffin can anybody now conceal/carry without a permit?

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If that includes Bubba put me down for a second.

griffin can anybody now conceal/carry without a permit?




I don't know....but I keep getting asked so I'll make a call or two and find out. The law's pretty gray these days. The short answer is yes.....but I THINK you still may need a license, just no training or anything else.

I can tell you that in St. Louis Co. the PA's office, for the most part, won't take CCW cases on people with no record. (I know....but the govt. can always find a way to lock you up if they want )

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      #254414 - 01/27/17 04:15 PM

A license?

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      #254415 - 01/27/17 07:15 PM

Some peeps can't handle the truth. I'd bring up football, but ya'll lost your 2nd franchise. Heard you was getting professional soccer to fill the void.

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Some peeps can't handle the truth. I'd bring up football, but ya'll lost your 2nd franchise. Heard you was getting professional soccer to fill the void.




I'd ban you for that but then there'd only be 19 of us left.....besides, before this is over, I'm gonna need help hating on soccer.

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      #254417 - 01/28/17 07:11 PM

I get it.. let's talk about everything but the Blues and their GREAT coach.. Brilliant strategy!

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I get it.. let's talk about everything but the Blues and their GREAT coach.. Brilliant strategy!




Dude....sit down. There is nothing else to talk about.

You think this team is going to become something different with a new coach?

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If that includes Bubba put me down for a second.





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If that includes Bubba put me down for a second.





Cash me ousside...how bow dah?





In a betting pool with a bunch of buds for the season and the SB. We pick winner and margin and tie break with total O/U, straight up.

Figuring they will all be jammed up and split on teams with close game picks but I am thinking about going big on your coons. Maybe coons by 14/54. I'm guessing Ryan is the real deal and their D is good enough to hold the dickheads to 20 pts.

I'm up on the year so it's house money and take a chance. What do you think about that Bubba........are the coons for real or they gonna go all Braves on me?

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      #254427 - 01/30/17 05:15 PM

I'm putting my money on going all Braves...

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      #254428 - 01/30/17 08:12 PM

Wholly crap - its a food fight!!!!!

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      #254438 - 01/31/17 08:59 PM

Blues now 18th in league......only 4 points away from 28th....out of 30. What a season!!!

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      #254439 - 01/31/17 09:11 PM

How in the fork can you give up the puck and the tying goal and allow a 2 on 1 4/4 with 30 seconds left in the 1st period?

It was over at that very moment.

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      #254440 - 02/01/17 07:58 AM

Griff can you believe the stupid bastards fired Hitchcock? Don't they know he's a great coach? What the hell are they thinking?

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      #254441 - 02/01/17 08:07 AM

Well, if you pay any attention at all you know that Armstrong doesn't think. This won't change the Blue's season, or Hitchcock's legacy. The problem is on the ice, not behind the bench. I do know a bit about the relationship between Hitchcock and Armstrong......and it likely became strained when the team could provide no help on the ice. It's a mess.

I haven't known what they are thinking in the last 3 or 4 years.

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      #254442 - 02/01/17 08:16 AM

It won't be long and the Blues organization is going to start making the Cleveland Browns look good..

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      #254446 - 02/01/17 12:31 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/dre...firing-1.662260

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      #254449 - 02/03/17 07:43 AM

#5 jersey up in the rafters and 5-1 victory for the Blues.

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      #254450 - 02/03/17 08:11 AM

Allen looked unbeatable.
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#5 jersey up in the rafters and 5-1 victory for the Blues.




Bringing down Barclays jersey so they could go up together was pretty dang cool.

Did Bobby say even one sentence about himself?

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      #254454 - 02/03/17 10:44 AM

Well, last nights performance showed us something about several players on this team. Mostly a complete lack of character. They confirmed they were laying down, dogging-it, so to speak, for the last several weeks. They decided they weren't going to give it their all. They either decided together or as individuals or maybe even subconsciously. Who knows? What I do know is this same group of players started the season with an impressive record and giving a full effort, even when they weren't executing all that well. We saw that going balls-to-the-wall can overcome some roster deficiencies and execution mistakes. Then, for whatever reason, many decided to play like Berglund and give 60% most of the time. Most would agree it was to get Hitch fired but you can have your own theories. What you can't argue is the effort the first few months of the season and last night was substantially higher than what we saw the last several weeks.

I still don't the Armstrong deserves much of the bashing he is taking. I am more in the camp that thinks this year was intentionally a mini-rebuilding year (with ownership buy-in). I think they still figured to make the playoffs but knew full well, it was going to be impossible to build a Cup winning team for this year. They took a solid run at it last year and could not keep that team together, even if they wanted to due to cap restrictions. Furthermore, that was a 4th place team and they peaked at 4th place. Now it is time to build around Tarasenko, Parayko, Pietrangelo, Schwartz, Fabbri, etc... A few dead weight contracts come due this off-season and there are a few youngsters in the minors that can challenge for some spots. And there is no way DA could have foreseen Allen's meltdown. Even the people that thought they should have kept Elliott over Allen would agree that this level of meltdown was highly unlikely. And finally, if you get rid of Armstrong, who do you get that is better? DA is about a highly regarded as any GM in the NHL.

And I couldn't care less about Bob Plager getting his jersey hoisted. He was an average player at best and probably got to play a few extra years because he was Barclay's brother. If hanging around for 40 or 50 years gets your jersey hoisted, so be it. I don't have anything against the guy (although he is a little on the obnoxious side the few times I've met him). I just couldn't care less if they hoist his jersey or not. Good for him. and if it makes you happy, woo hoo!!

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      #254457 - 02/03/17 09:44 PM

Pretty sure Plager will sleep just fine without your endorsement. He's not a hall of famer, and he showed his humility at the deal last night as well as why he was honored.
Sorry if he kicked you ourt of his bar. bwaaaaaaaaaaaa

As for Army, the Allen extension was one of the stupidest moves I've seen. Forget pushing Elliott out, but to then sign Allen to 16 million when he had a free year left to wait and see was idiotic. Mind boggling, actually.

Call it what you want, bad luck or bad decisions, but the Stasny contract, the Lehtera contract and just recently the Steen contract are all hanging around the neck of this franchise.

If he isn't on the bubble, waiting to see where this team goes this year, he should be. And making impact changes are going to be tough to work against the cap he has put in place for this team.

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      #254467 - 02/06/17 07:34 AM

Can't argue the Allen contract, other than to think he would have been far more expensive if he had a good year. That's the gamble they took and it hasn't paid off so far. All we can do now is hope he gets his chit together and becomes serviceable.

I don't fret the Stastny and Steen contracts. They are not going to be killers. My guess is both of those guys will come around and be what they've show then can be. For the last few years, Steen was arguably one of the best 3 or 4 players on this team. Hard to believe he just lost it. My guess is he was/is injured or has some other issue.

Bob Plager certainly doesn't need my endorsement to be sure. But I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding his jersey in the rafters. A Bob Plager night makes sense but retiring his jersey? That is usually reserved for the best of the best players. He wasn't even the best of the average players. Who's next, Larry Patey?

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      #254469 - 02/06/17 01:24 PM

Honor Steve Durbano dammit!

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Can't argue the Allen contract, other than to think he would have been far more expensive if he had a good year. That's the gamble they took and it hasn't paid off so far. All we can do now is hope he gets his chit together and becomes serviceable.

I don't fret the Stastny and Steen contracts. They are not going to be killers. My guess is both of those guys will come around and be what they've show then can be. For the last few years, Steen was arguably one of the best 3 or 4 players on this team. Hard to believe he just lost it. My guess is he was/is injured or has some other issue.

Bob Plager certainly doesn't need my endorsement to be sure. But I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding his jersey in the rafters. A Bob Plager night makes sense but retiring his jersey? That is usually reserved for the best of the best players. He wasn't even the best of the average players. Who's next, Larry Patey?




I see dumbness here......lot's of dumbness.

The Blues are done this year.....DONE. And yes, Stastny certainly has, and will, show us what he can be.

Armstrong has to go.......no, I have no idea for a replacement but I'm good with Bobby Plager taking over the job. He couldn't possibly fork it up more than Armstrong has.

For chrissakes.....the only way to defend Armstrong's stupidity is to counter it with some of your own.....nice work.

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      #254476 - 02/08/17 07:19 AM

Bitter and Angry, party of two? Bitter and Angry, party of two? Your table is ready...

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      #254479 - 02/08/17 10:25 AM

Oh, did anyone else happen to see that Backes got his coach fired? He has a total of 22 points, a +/- of -12 and is 2nd on the team in PIM's. You can gripe all you want about Armstrong but that move had to be made. Backes was a very good player for us but he is on the down side of his career and the Bruins will wish they had not given him that deal.

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      #254481 - 02/08/17 03:27 PM

I still blame it all on Ryan Miller and Oshie..

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Oh, did anyone else happen to see that Backes got his coach fired? He has a total of 22 points, a +/- of -12 and is 2nd on the team in PIM's. You can gripe all you want about Armstrong but that move had to be made. Backes was a very good player for us but he is on the down side of his career and the Bruins will wish they had not given him that deal.




Who here is complaining about not matching the Boston offer to sign Backes?

80% of the fans I know had no issue with Army not signing the guy. It was hardly some kind of brilliant decision.

However, since you brought this up out of nowhere, I will say it is my belief that Army DID sign off on both extensions for Allen AND Steen as a result of losing Backes.He signed them for the wrong reasons. While Steen at least had some chits stored up from prior years, he definitely benefited when Backes left. As for Allen, that was just a gift from heaven, plain stupid on Army's part.

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      #254484 - 02/08/17 06:28 PM

Wow! How bad is Ottawa?

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      #254496 - 02/11/17 04:02 PM

Just when griffin started to sound like he knew something.....they pulled me back in!

I had a dream about the Cup last night.

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I had a dream about the Cup last night.




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      #254499 - 02/12/17 05:48 AM

That was a great game last night.

Allen settling in for now anyway. The forwards are scoring enough goals to win a game.

Put his goal aside, and it was a doozy, Perron is playing as well as any body on the ice.

They have put themselves in this hole, let's see if they can get out while playing conference and division games.

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      #254500 - 02/12/17 10:45 AM

Berglund with a hat trick?? What in the name of Glenn Hall is going on here?

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      #254512 - 02/15/17 08:33 PM

Now 5-0 on the road after tanking in January......just one more reason to hate these bastards.

I told my daughter tonight that the only way we would use tomorrow night's tickets would be if the Blues won 5 in a row.

GODDAMIT!!!!!!!!!!!

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      #254514 - 02/15/17 08:53 PM

That's great.

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      #254515 - 02/15/17 09:38 PM

Dude - I'm not even going to my seats. I'm just going to sit in the club, drink beer, and watch it on the TV....I don't want to kill it.

I can't believe what I'm watching. This team doesn't resemble, IN ANY WAY, the team I have watched this entire season. I actually saw the Blues Captain hit someone tonight....it was CRAZY.

You watch.....just my luck....a Blues team I really don't like at all will win the cup...and somewhere, ole foots will be broke up laughing at me.

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      #254516 - 02/16/17 05:48 AM

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You watch.....just my luck....a Blues team I really don't like at all will win the cup...and somewhere, ole foots will be broke up laughing at me.

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Good God man get a hold of yourself......foots is laughing right now!

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      #254517 - 02/16/17 09:25 PM

The Blues were not sharp tonight, but I guess when it's going good you win some of those games. Vancouver goalie handed us that one. I'll take it I suppose. They're still the most boring team in the NHL and no fun to watch.

I guess Armstrong will have no idea at this point whether the Blues are buyers or sellers.....but Shattenkirk had 3 assists tonight and Berglund is one of the best players on the ice. Get ready.....they're gonna sign that big lump of dog chit again....watch and see.

Longest current win streak in the league......go figure.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254518 - 02/17/17 06:58 AM

I got to see a good portion of that game. Not their best game but a solid effort. The execution was lacking but the effort carried them. Pretty much what we saw the first few moths of the season.

Shattenkirk has to be traded, unless they simply can't get any significant value for him. I doubt that because there are at least 3 or 4 teams that could use him for a playoff run and would have some chance to sign him. He's going to get $5-$7 mil per year for 4 or 5 years from someone. And from what I hear, he wants to be somewhat selective about where he signs his new deal. In a perfect world, he signs an extension as part of the deal and gets traded for some value. That's probably a pipe dream... The best rumor I've heard is to Toronto for James van Riemsdyk. The problem with that is he makes $4.75 mil and only has one year on his deal. But he would be a good fill-in for a missing Fabbri.

Berglund is a piece of chit. Where was this play for the last 5 years? Now that he has a new deal to sign, he decides to play like he should have been playing all along? You're right though, the Blues will look at him and say they can't find any big centers like him and probably re-sign him. At that point all we can do is hope he finds some character and integrity and learns to play at 100% all of the time. I'll still keep my fingers crossed and hope some other team wants to give up a premium prospect or a high draft pick for him...

Next two games are Buffalo and Florida. Both are mediocre teams that can be beat with the same effort and execution we've seen for the last 6 games...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #254519 - 02/18/17 07:21 AM

Enough players sandbagged Hitch to get him fired, so now they are 100% playing the game they want to play without the hard azz Hitch on their butts. It's amazing to me how in hockey time and time again the animals run the zoo. Remember Murray?

The Blues are winning with a lot of small play that wasn't happening before. And the rookies are a big part of the better play too.

But nothing bigger with this run than decent goal tending. It will take a year of consistent work from Allen to convince me he has what it takes.

I hate to lose Shatt but the word is the R/L Schmaltz and Dunn are ready to come up here and contribute and the Blues prospect pool especially at forward is really low. I say if DA can't get an impact forward for him then bring up the kids and get a #1 pick for Shatt. The upcoming Vegas expansion draft is really messing up a lot of deal chances for this deadline too.

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      #254520 - 02/18/17 05:59 PM

What all three of you said....Go Blue!

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      #254521 - 02/19/17 09:11 PM

I've said since day one this team lacked character. The fact that they played, arguably, their best hockey of the year after their coach got fired just reinforced that to me.

This team is going nowhere......mark it down.

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      #254541 - 02/23/17 09:52 PM

Knock, knock?

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      #254542 - 02/24/17 05:07 AM

Give'em a chance Dabs

They haven't read the PD this morning.

When they do-- they will see that the Blues are looking to resign Berglund since they can't trade Shattenkirk for what they want in return.

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Give'em a chance Dabs

They haven't read the PD this morning.

When they do-- they will see that the Blues are looking to resign Berglund since they can't trade Shattenkirk for what they want in return.

I expect there will be some commentary re Berglund




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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: wuchang]
      #254548 - 02/24/17 03:39 PM

He's signed.

It's not a terrible contract and Berg is not a terrible hockey player for what he is. I knew they'd sign him just glad they didn't sell the farm doing it.

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      #254549 - 02/25/17 07:40 AM

Not much of a hockey fan, but is it ever good when some one says "not a terrible contract and (said player) is not a terrible player for what he is." Couldn't that money be spent better?

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      #254550 - 02/25/17 07:57 AM

I know my money can be spent better.

I split 2 season ticket club seats with another guy, and have for 4 years. I let him know this morning that I'm out for next year.

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Not much of a hockey fan, but is it ever good when some one says "not a terrible contract and (said player) is not a terrible player for what he is." Couldn't that money be spent better?




Maybe.

griffin and Sptsman seem dead set against him and some of me agrees. I might agree more with them if they can name a player or two available that can come in and do better for the money. Plus, the Blues, like most of the league, need centers. I am 100% certain he could of gotten more on the open market this summer.

He' a third line center, big guy, good on his defense and extremely hot/cold on his assists and scoring. He uses his size on offense and not so much on D. He's been a offensive disappointment since he came up but in the end his numbers are pretty much in line with other 3rd line centers. His play off game is usually better than his regular season game.

It's probably going to be a kiss your sister contract. He's on a torrid scoring pace right now after a bad first half, we'll see what happens in the remaining games.

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      #254554 - 02/26/17 05:26 PM

Scoff you may , but we need Oshie back stat.

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      #254556 - 02/26/17 08:00 PM

Dude - he was Fetch's favorite player.

Fork Oshie!!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254570 - 02/28/17 09:19 PM

Well, the Blues are certainly better with Shattenkirk gone and Burgland signed.

What a forking joke this team is.

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      #254571 - 03/01/17 05:25 AM

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Well, the Blues are certainly better with Shattenkirk gone and Burgland signed.

What a forking joke this team is.

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Quote:

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Not much of a hockey fan, but is it ever good when some one says "not a terrible contract and (said player) is not a terrible player for what he is." Couldn't that money be spent better?




Maybe.

griffin and Sptsman seem dead set against him and some of me agrees. I might agree more with them if they can name a player or two available that can come in and do better for the money. Plus, the Blues, like most of the league, need centers. I am 100% certain he could of gotten more on the open market this summer.

He' a third line center, big guy, good on his defense and extremely hot/cold on his assists and scoring. He uses his size on offense and not so much on D. He's been a offensive disappointment since he came up but in the end his numbers are pretty much in line with other 3rd line centers. His play off game is usually better than his regular season game.

It's probably going to be a kiss your sister contract. He's on a torrid scoring pace right now after a bad first half, we'll see what happens in the remaining games.




Regarding Berglund, I just think the Blues grossly overvalue him and are paying him a cap-damaging salary. He's a mediocre 3rd line center. He has tons of God-given talent, skill, size, etc. and has never been able to muster up enough heart to use it all effectively. He gets these fat deals, plays like chit for 75% of the term and turns in on for a new deal. If the last several years aren't enough evidence, how about the two games since he's signed his new deal. Against Chicago his +/- was -2 and against Edmonton last night he was -1. Expect more of the same from him. He should be making no more than a $1 million or so. And the fact that other teams are willing to overpay, doesn't make it an acceptable deal. And the fact that we don't have an immediate replacement sitting on the bench is not justification either. They would be in better shape, all the way around, if they gave a shot to one of the youngsters in the AHL.

The bottom line is this team has too many players that showed promise and actually performed in the NHL, got fat contracts and are now not playing up to their deals. I can't think of a bigger dog right now that Schwartz. I was told (right here on this very forum) he was the future and "he makes everyone better". Perhaps I misunderstood and those were supposed to be references to making his bankers better off. If it was in reference to his hockey teammates, he only makes them better when he's on the bench and they get more ice time. Because his on-ice contributions aren't making anyone better.

I'll hold out hope for the rest of the season but it is really becoming hard to watch these guys play at less than 100%. Oh what I wouldn't give to have a Brian Sutter or even a Steve Ott in this team's dressing room...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #254574 - 03/01/17 02:34 PM

Look at the last two games.....in Chicago, Blues just coming off a 6 day break which is actually a huge detriment to winning, they played hard after 10 minutes and lost the game when Jbo forked up his coverage with 5 minutes to go.

Chicago, right now, is playing maybe the best hockey of anyone. The Blues were right there and let up and choked.

Then last night, Stasny can't score under any circumstance no matter how many opportunities, Schwartz had 2 great opportunities and got nothing, Tarasenko had his chances in both last night and in Chicago and pinged the posts twice. And then, OF COURSE, Jake Allen gives up a routine shot off his glove and breaks this teams back once again.

It's a team wide issue. They do 95% of the work and then can't close the deal. They just can't or won't finish. And then it's the goal tending. Or they let up and it's over in a flash.

This team needs a riding boss. The meaner the better. They are under performing, outright.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254576 - 03/01/17 05:36 PM

No one wants to play for a meanie..

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      #254577 - 03/01/17 06:58 PM

They need to hire Joe Maddon.

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      #254579 - 03/02/17 06:55 AM

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And then, OF COURSE, Jake Allen gives up a routine shot off his glove and breaks this teams back once again.




Placing even 1% of what is going on with this team on Jake Allen right now is preposterous (is it allowed to use that word here?)!! No doubt he was a disaster mid-season but his play over the last 10+ games has been just fine. And the shot you are referring to was deflected by one of his defenseman's stick blade. Watch the replay. I'm sure he would like to have a redo on that shot but let's not pretend it was just simple shot and he missed it. It had changed directions just enough to go off his glove instead of in it. That being said, Jake Allen needs to play at a high level from here on out, if the Blues are to have any chance.

And I have never given two flyin' forks about moral victories against any team, especially the Hawks. Maybe that's OK at the high school and college levels but it just makes you a loser at the pro level. The Cubs went 108 years with a whole bunch of moral victories and the Blues have now exceeded 50 years of moral victories. Playing them close and losing in the last 5-10 minutes is loss, just the same a losing 10-1. It gets you zero points and goes on your record as a loss. Perhaps someone in the STL media and in the Blues locker room needs to hammer that point home, instead of treating these players like some sort of boy-wonder celebrities. Rant complete!!

Right now the success or failure of this season rests completely on the guys with the bigger salaries. If they can't find it in themselves to play up to the levels they are being paid, this team won't make the playoffs.

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      #254581 - 03/02/17 07:36 AM

I said it from the very start of the season and was poo-pooed (can I use that word here?) by both of you boneheads.

THIS TEAM HAS NO CHARACTER!!!

I have sold my tickets for the 3 games I had left and am done with them this year. I'm still calling for a fire sale. I'll gladly sit through and support a couple of rebuilding years.....but I'm not supporting this forking mess.

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And then, OF COURSE, Jake Allen gives up a routine shot off his glove and breaks this teams back once again.




Placing even 1% of what is going on with this team on Jake Allen right now is preposterous (is it allowed to use that word here?)!! No doubt he was a disaster mid-season but his play over the last 10+ games has been just fine. And the shot you are referring to was deflected by one of his defenseman's stick blade. Watch the replay. I'm sure he would like to have a redo on that shot but let's not pretend it was just simple shot and he missed it. It had changed directions just enough to go off his glove instead of in it. That being said, Jake Allen needs to play at a high level from here on out, if the Blues are to have any chance.

And I have never given two flyin' forks about moral victories against any team, especially the Hawks. Maybe that's OK at the high school and college levels but it just makes you a loser at the pro level. The Cubs went 108 years with a whole bunch of moral victories and the Blues have now exceeded 50 years of moral victories. Playing them close and losing in the last 5-10 minutes is loss, just the same a losing 10-1. It gets you zero points and goes on your record as a loss. Perhaps someone in the STL media and in the Blues locker room needs to hammer that point home, instead of treating these players like some sort of boy-wonder celebrities. Rant complete!!

Right now the success or failure of this season rests completely on the guys with the bigger salaries. If they can't find it in themselves to play up to the levels they are being paid, this team won't make the playoffs.




Allen had the puck on his glove.

Deflected my ass he had clear vision and had the puck no matter how it got there.

I have zero idea why you are talking about moral victories. I am talking about the Blues choking.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254583 - 03/02/17 04:41 PM


Maybe the Blues can draft #7..............

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      #254584 - 03/02/17 05:45 PM

It is disheartening to the rest of us when you three squabble..

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      #254586 - 03/02/17 06:59 PM

Maybe a squabble or two down in that hillbilly forum is what you need.

A lawsuit gets 4 posts.

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      #254596 - 03/04/17 11:53 AM

Tomorrow night the Blues play the last place Rockies.....a team with only 17 wins all season. Anybody want to put their money on a Blues win?? No?

That's where this team is now.

With Armstrong in charge, Yeo will be out of hockey in a year.

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      #254599 - 03/06/17 06:14 PM

After careful consideration I predict the Blue will beat the Avs. I even foresee Allen pitching a shut out. Griff bet on the Note. That is all..

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: IIFID]
      #254610 - 03/08/17 11:15 AM

Maybe best game of the season and not a peep?

Here's to the Blues winning some more so griffin can jump back on the wagon for the 4th time this year.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254611 - 03/08/17 12:22 PM

Nah, didn't care to watch......I have moved on now and this season is behind me.

I've got no use for this version of the Blues.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254614 - 03/08/17 04:29 PM

Moved on? Signing off on March 8th?

I'm callin bull chit.

But ok with me, every time your "out" this team comes back.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254617 - 03/08/17 06:36 PM

Since the first game I attended this year I have hated this team.....and nothing I have seen this season changes my opinion of them as the most gutless, characterless, version of the St. Louis Blues in their history.

I truly can't watch them any more, and I damn sure will not support them by spending my money.

Maybe next year......but it will take wholesale changes in the organization to turn this around.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254620 - 03/09/17 07:12 AM

Tuesday's win against the Wild is what this team is capable of. They were strong in every facet of the game and were especially strong on the forecheck. But the two things that stood out to me were the puck control exiting the defensive zone and the effort. Seeing that effort gave me hope that this team has the talent. Then it just pissed me off to think how so many high paid guys could lay down, get a coach fired for demanding excellence from them and then turn it back on. That is the very definition of lack of character. As Doug Armstrong said, the reason the Hawks are so good is because their best players are always the best players on the ice for any given game.

There are about 5 or 6 players on this team that the Blues could trade tomorrow and it wouldn't bother me one bit. Jaden Schwartz is at the top of that list. Of course you have to include the perennial slug, Berglund and guys like Lehtera, Paajarvi and maybe even Steen, after seeing him turn it on and off.

I hope and pray the off-season includes the acquisition of a real leader. A guy that plays hard every game, every shift, every stride and holds every single player accountable for their effort. I want to see a guy that gets in the face of a puss-mama's-boy like Schwartz (and others) and says, "WTF... You gonna skate or just glide around? You gonna earn that contract or just get by?"

I guess we'll see if these men can find it in themselves to show up and play the rest of the season to get themselves in the playoffs and at least make their owner a few extra bucks, so he can afford to get the guy they need.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #254622 - 03/09/17 05:02 PM

I agree 100% with bringing a no nonsense proven winner on this roster who can dictate the right kind of hockey that is missing on so many nights with this team. Love Petro but he is no captain.

As far as picking and choosing players to lose, as disappointing as Steen has been he is imo playing hurt. I keep Steen.

I leave Lehtera unprotected for the upcoming expansion draft and hope and pray Vegas takes him.

I would move Scwartz if it helped get us a tru top center.

Not sure why you are on Paajarvi. He is the fastest player on the roster and he works his ass off, the kid needs to learn to finish. He may never.

There won't be any wholesale changes this off season, the cap won't really allow it. Armstrong has to a great degree sealed this teams fate. The future isn't a total bummer though, let the younger players come up and see what they can do. Dunn, Schmalz, Barbeshev, Agostino heck maybe even Tage Thompson.

The key is to go back to point #1 and get a guy in here who ends the nonsense or even the hint of any slack. To this very day, the Blues have one of the best defenses in the entire league.

I do question this teams character. But I'm looking for that miracle where they themselves wake the fork up and decide to actually give it their all every night. Like they did Tuesday nite. Might be dreaming but what the fork it's all I got.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254632 - 03/12/17 07:21 AM

Funny how scoring goals can win you some hockey games isn't it?

And while Schwartz remains the most snake bitten player in the league when it comes to goals he has been playing hard for his assists and off the puck play.

Next three west coast road games are brutal and may well determine the season. Blues will need to come away with 2 or 3 points here.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254633 - 03/12/17 01:01 PM

Blues still playing??

I was hoping to hear your thoughts on if The Phambino makes the Cards opening day roster.


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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: wuchang]
      #254643 - 03/13/17 10:51 PM

Still playin Wu asks.......

Game over.BIG WIN!!!!

No character my

Allen sensational

Still a long way 2 go.......butt, I like our chances of makin the playoffs.






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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: fastman]
      #254644 - 03/14/17 05:42 AM

Monster win.

Perron will be wearing an A next year, might as well put it on him now. He deserves it.

Paajarvi figuring out how to score, that's what he's been missing. Fastest Blue on the ice.

Gotta give Allen major kudos on tonights game. Now keep it up!

Like you say fasty, long way to go!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254645 - 03/14/17 06:20 AM

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Perron will be wearing an A next year






I don't doubt that he will......that's where this team is now.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254648 - 03/14/17 10:09 AM

Hup!

You don't know where this team is now.

You ain't watching.

I'll keep you posted here bro if you want to read about it.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254655 - 03/14/17 06:10 PM

Delusions

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254659 - 03/14/17 09:18 PM

I'm a Blues fan.

I prefer grand illusions.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254661 - 03/14/17 10:56 PM

50 years for me. I've still got a cut out from a cast I had on my arm from a break I got playing street hockey when I was 8 years old....on it are the autographs of Gary Sabourin, Noel Picard, and Bob Plager. Barclay Plager once played goalie for us in a street game.....he lived down the street from us....greatest day ever as a kid.

I hate this version of the Blues. I can't watch them. I feel no connection to this team at all and feel like they are a disgrace to the Note.

You carry on.......they've earned every bit of my disdain.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254662 - 03/15/17 06:04 AM

I know, I know. I'll keep you posted while you don't watch.
bwaaaaaaa Hell I watched the Hawks and Habs last night. Talk about hate.

This team IS trying. Disgrace and disdain?? They aren't heavy, take too many punches, don't have the horses, and yeah I could pitch a few of them, but they are the Blues so I cheer.

And if Allen wants to play out the year like the last few games, hey.......miracles happen.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254663 - 03/15/17 08:12 AM

I haven't watched any games for a few weeks. I'm not going back this season.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254669 - 03/17/17 05:59 AM

Pretty much dominated the Sharks nice come back from the the Ducks game. One of the better games of the season.

Time to end all nonsense and win the games they should win in Az and Colorado.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254694 - 03/20/17 05:46 PM

The boys deserve a bump.

7-3 last ten good teams too and they have pulled even with the Preds while playing their best hockey of the year.

No Shatt, No fabbri.

Brang it.

Oh, no Lehtera for a good part of it too.

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

If they flail it's samo if not..........THANK YOU griffin.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254695 - 03/21/17 05:37 PM

When is this forking season over? Damn!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #254696 - 03/21/17 06:00 PM

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When is this forking season over? Damn!




ummmmmmm........it's been 40 days since any one has posted in the section you love so much where the season never ends.

Go down there for a few months and follow all the left turns until your neck is spun into a knot and then you can come back here for the Cup finals of a real sport.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254710 - 03/24/17 11:16 AM

They are all big on in....Blues vs. Calgary tomorrow night.

Pretty amazing how the youngsters are contributing. Blues will have to think hard about protecting MP in the expansion draft.

Just as amazing is Allen holding his play at this level for this long. Another swoon or is this possibly, some how, the real Jake? Broduer has turned him around 180 degrees.

10 games left, whatever. Will they finish strong?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254719 - 03/25/17 06:30 PM

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10 games left,




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      #254720 - 03/25/17 09:23 PM

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      #254722 - 03/26/17 06:10 AM

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10 games left,







Then there is 3 months of playoffs




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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254735 - 03/28/17 09:01 AM

Schwartz is waking up and none too late.

Blues 5-0 in March against teams under .500, hell 10-2-1 for the month, another sign this run might stick. And Allen's been a huge part of that.

Barbs, MP, Sanford providing some good spark so who knows....hope the Preds will drop a few games to close out.

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      #254746 - 03/30/17 08:20 AM

Big showdown on Sunday when Preds come to town. Should be a dandy!

Blues at 3:00 then Cards for the opener.

Not too shabby.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254765 - 04/02/17 05:32 PM

ohhhhhh baaaaaaaaaaaaaabbeeeeeeeeeee!

Even you might wanna jump on now Bubba!!!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254766 - 04/02/17 05:45 PM

Gr8 win Tiger!!!!!!!!!





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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: fastman]
      #254777 - 04/03/17 05:55 PM

Hey Eddie, you think the team just burned out on Hitch?

Or is Yeo this good?

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      #254811 - 04/06/17 08:58 PM

Another big win tonight.

This team is rolling. I mean all of them.

2nd season coming up. After 50 years it's clear nothing is clear but dayum I can't wait for round 1.

Crazy Sobi coming back from the mother country. Little more piss and vinegar all the better.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254820 - 04/07/17 07:57 AM

I don't know LS

I'm sure sportdude has the inside info & will enlighten us soon.

All I do know is that sportsdude & griffin don't know chit





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      #254824 - 04/07/17 07:25 PM

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Eddie......... I always knew you had that sixth sense......bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254833 - 04/09/17 05:12 AM

STL - Minny for round one!

Will the real good Jake Allen please stand up.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254839 - 04/09/17 09:26 PM

So I dragged my wife and kids to the last game tonight. We sat in the 2nd row behind the Blues bench. Of course the girls loved it but I don't know this team and I'm not a fan of this particular version of the Blues....I won't forget that they wouldn't play for Hitchcock and that bothers me.

Still, they're playing great hockey right now....and Sobotka makes them even better.

I sold my playoff tickets, but I wish them well.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254842 - 04/10/17 06:01 AM

If this version of the Blues can bring a Cup here they could turn on Mother Theresa for all I care.

Yeo has them in a zone D and playing lines that I don't see Hitch having done.

Broduer coaching Allen has taken him from night to day.

The team still lacks some size and elite front players but they are working it hard each game. Six weeks ago they were completely lost.

We have now lost Fabbri, Stasny, Shatty, Backes, Elliott and Brouwer from last years roster with Perron and ?? added back on. Not too shabby for a "transitional" team.

The Blues are the underdogs, play well and it's all gravy from here.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254845 - 04/10/17 06:16 AM

Go Blue!!

They might make it past Minnesota, maybe. No chance they'll make it past Chicago. Hope I'm wrong about Chicago, if they get there... That is a combination of the Hawks being so damn good and the Blues having a few obvious holes in their roster. But you never know.

If the Hockey Gods are just, the finals will be the Hawks and Capitols, with the Caps winning it all. But alas, things rarely go the way they're supposed to in the NHL playoffs. And that could be good for us...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
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Has your Ambien not worn off from last night?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254859 - 04/10/17 04:45 PM

You see the odds?

Blues LAST of all 16 teams with a 33 to 1 line.

Yesssssirrreeee bob, right where I want them.

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      #254863 - 04/10/17 06:05 PM

Yessssssirrreeee bob, this team is poised to make a deep playoff run.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254868 - 04/11/17 08:38 AM

Last Stand - in the interest of public health and safety I feel it is my duty to point out a few tidbits before you drive the train off the cliff and kill all the passengers.

Much is being made of the Blues fantastic finish, 15-2-2 over the last 19 games sure looks impressive going into the playoffs, huh?

As you are drowning in the vat of koolaid you've been drinking , consider this as your last thought before you die (likely in round 1).

11 of those wins came against teams in the bottom half of the league.....actually, 10 of them came against teams in the bottom THIRD of the league.....actually, 7 of those wins, nearly half for those of you keeping score, came against 3 teams that comprise THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL OF THE LEAGUE. Colorado 3 times, Arizona 3 times, and Vancouver once. Those teams are 27, 29, and 30 in a league of 30 teams if you need help with the math.

This was, without question, the easiest final 20 games of any team in hockey. Yes, it's good that they won most of them......but please save me from "the hottest team in hockey" BULLCHIT.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254885 - 04/12/17 05:53 AM

Where am I wrong?

I pointed out at one time they were 5-0 against the lower than 500 teams and 3-2 against the better teams. I get that. They are 14-2-2 since you gave up on them and yeah, easiest schedule in the league. I just put up the odds that said they are positioned LAST in the league to win so I get that too.

Whatever depth this team has they are on the ice. Gobs of players with NO playoff experience. We are short our leading center and one of our best wingers. We just lost our leading D man PP scorer. We have a goalie with past play off jitters. Shall I go on?

I have no misconceptions about this team. But they have played hard the last 6 weeks. They have done 95% of whats been asked of them bad teams or not. Allen has proved me wrong for the longest run of time ever. They have won holding leads and they have won from behind.

Man to man Minnesota has this team beat hands down. Size, speed, goal tending. What's new. But I've never counted a Blues team out in my life for play offs and I dang sure ain't gonna start doing so with this team now, they actually deserve it more than a lot of teams before them.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254887 - 04/12/17 07:33 AM

I'll be pulling for the Blues as I've done since they got to the Lou. History dictates that this season will end long before the final Cup pairing. Their only three appearances in the Cup were due to a playoff format that required an expansion team to make it to the Stanley Cup Finals. Swept by Montreal in 68 and 69 and then by the Bruins in 70. All those years, 3 appearances in the finals (due to format) and an 0-12 record in finals games don't give me much hope.

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      #254888 - 04/12/17 07:44 AM

Oh, I'll watch......but as I have said, I really don't like this version of the Note for a number of reasons. I tried a couple of times to get behind them, but I just don't like this team.

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      #254890 - 04/12/17 10:03 AM

C'mon Dada the 0-12 record there was an EXPANSION team against the best in the world opponents. For my money, the Blues actually played great hockey all 3 times but that deck was stacked big time.

No argument about the 47 years since.

I like this team. Not saying I like them to win, but I like how they have played the last 6 weeks almost to a man, like the 4th line, like the youngsters and what they have brought and I think Yeo's done a great job with his roster and lines most nights.

Minny is going to bring it. Speed. Big up the middle. Maybe the best tender when he's on. Blues have their hands full, no doubt.

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      #254892 - 04/12/17 11:06 PM

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      #254893 - 04/12/17 11:25 PM

Well..............that was one hell of a performance by Allen. Right up there with some of the Liut wins back in the day when he was stopping 50+ shots to win.

Tarasenko looked like he's supposed to in the playoffs as well.

Call that win a steal for sure. Blues outplayed everywhere but the final score.....but they've got to steal a few every series if they want to advance so there you go.

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      #254894 - 04/13/17 06:03 AM

Liut-Millen and then of course Glen Hall. He was literally unreal last night, the 50 stopped shots stat doesn't give him justice.

Outplayed for sure but they never gave in to it. If this was an off game they can take the series. If this is all there is, it's pretty much over.

Based on the last 6 weeks, I like the former. No question in my mind this group has the grit and can play better than last night, I've seen it.

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I like this move for multiple reasons.

Hope it works.

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      #254899 - 04/14/17 02:12 PM

Well, when you lose every statistic by a 2-1 margin (hits, shots, etc) you have to do SOMETHING.

I've always thought sitting Bartuzzo during the playoffs was stupid (yes I know he's been hurt the last 5 or 6 games) and never understood why Hitchcock did that.....so I'm happy to see this move as well.

IF the Blues can survive the first period tonight they may have a chance to steal another game......but it's going to be a full blown siege from the Wild to start the game.

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      #254902 - 04/14/17 06:15 PM

Hey , Last Stand , can I climb on now? How many more games ?

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      #254905 - 04/14/17 10:16 PM

14 more wins Bubster.

I like Bortuzzo......he isn't a top D guy but has heart and plays a hard game, sticks up for his mates and seems to light the team up when he's on the game roster.

Sanford for Lehtera? Hell yes. Lehtera is the Blues Peralta. Unfortunately I'm guessing Lehtera's back in Sunday but the message was sent.

The Blues picked it up tonight. They didn't hit their stride, but that's two now they've taken on grit and strong D and excellent tending. Sorry griff, this is a solid group of players.

We come home now. That actually makes me nervous. But again, I don't see this team falling down beyond a game or two. So, If Allen keeps it up, they should take this series.

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      #254921 - 04/17/17 05:48 AM

Can the Blues remember what to do with a 3-0 series lead? They forgot what to do with a 2-0 lead, that's for sure.

17-2-2 TEAM run.

Character issues?

I don't think so.

That goalie guy is pretty good too.

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      #254922 - 04/17/17 06:12 AM

Time will tell on character revival....not sold yet.

For sure Allen and all of the blocked shots by the defense have been the difference in this series.

Faceoffs are dismal. Defensive turnovers still a BIG problem. That's going to catch them.

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      #254924 - 04/17/17 09:31 AM

Who's been slacking the last 7 weeks?

Our top face off guy is out. Barbashev batting 50% is best we have right now.

Blues have caught a lot of breaks usually lost to the other play off team. They have to improve in a number of areas to advance deep......but no doubt slacking and floating, the usual ailment, is no where to be seen.

We'll see if they can tighten up the 2 areas you mentioned and get some more shots/scoring. 2 goals a game makes life difficult.

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      #254927 - 04/17/17 01:03 PM

Go Blue!!

I need them to make a deep run in the playoffs. I simply can't watch the crap our baseball team is trotting out on the field these days!!

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no doubt slacking and floating, the usual ailment, is no where to be seen.






Look, I have made it clear I don't like this version, but I can't root against them.......that being said, yeah, their pursuit to the puck has been relentless.

I want Perron to win me over because he surely has the hands to be that crazy pest every team hates to play against if he has the attitude to go with it. I have seen that in this series.

As for Allen, again, I've not been a fan.....but whatever the hell they did with him has surely worked. He's not been out of position on a single shot for the entire series...crazy good.

I hope they win.

And the more I watch of Nashville/Chicago the more I REALLY hope they win. Chicago is toast so I'd love to see the Blues knock them out again (as much as I don't like this Blues team, it can't come close to how much I hate that Chicago team)......and I'll take the match up with Nashville any day.

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      #254931 - 04/17/17 11:24 PM

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Go Blue!!

They might make it past Minnesota, maybe. No chance they'll make it past Chicago.





Knot much of chance of the hawks playin past this thursday

The Big Swede along with the whole Blues team are playin gr8.

Prolly should give the coaches a big way to go coaches.

Nashville looked very very good tonite.

As did the blonde behind the Minny bench the other nite.
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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254937 - 04/19/17 02:55 PM

Win you over? bwaaaaaaaaaaaa

Dude, no one but you thinks there's a problem with him. Terry Yate said the other day career year, incredible play, best he has ever seen him and one of the most valuable components to this team. You've been wrong about him all year, don't stop now. bwaaaaaaaaaa

I wanted to face the Hawks, not liking the strength of the Preds D and Rinne has always been great against us.

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      #254940 - 04/19/17 06:08 PM

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      #254942 - 04/19/17 09:03 PM

LS - I guarantee you I have followed Perron's career closer than you have because he had so much promise and I was a fan of that potential and his great hands......so yeah, he's got to win me over before I don't want to do anything but take a dump on his jersey. There was a day, early in his career, when I thought he could develop to be that 40 goal scorer we needed so badly, but he played like he had cement between his ears. Why do you think he couldn't find a team that he was a fit for?

Career year??? Ok....but it's not exactly been a stellar career. (hey, so has Berglund, or did Terry FLAKE miss that?? ... bwaaaaahahahahaha!!!) Do you even watch hockey outside of the Blues?

He's played well of late.....but the first half of this season he was the same dog he's always been.....uber talented with no heart and a "me first" attitude.

We'll see. I'll be happy if you're right.....but he's got a ways to go to convince me he's a different cat.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254943 - 04/19/17 10:35 PM

First 2 lines for the Blues sucked tonight. The Note had VERY FEW good scoring chances, the Wild had numerous. Allen was good enough. Tarasenko looked like his old playoff self.....just shoot the damn puck!!

Perron and Steen AWOL.....can't win if they don't show up. Serious question.....is Perron hurt? He missed a few shifts (only played 16 minutes) and was completely ineffective when he was on the ice.

The effort was good enough for me to believe the Blues can win at least another game.....but this series is a looooong way from over. Without question, the Wild are the faster and more talented team so the Blues need some breaks like they got the first 3 games.

Bring on game 5!!

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      #254944 - 04/20/17 09:19 AM

You're stubborn as hell. You were wrong when you popped off about him so now still wrong. No heart? Selfish? Jesus I give up ....think what you want you're all alone anyway.

Momentum back to Minny in Minny. Hell yes they have the numbers to score but Blues need to stay strong on the D and be more aggressive on O and take their shots at the net rather than the mamby pamby stuff that went on last night during that first period snoozefest.

Dub looked good, Allen not so much. Sat needs to be played well win or lose but I am thinking this one goes to game 6 and Katie bar the door for that one.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254945 - 04/20/17 09:36 AM

Oh, OK.......Perron is one of our team's top players then.....great!!

I guess that's all I need to know about how far the Blues can go.

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      #254947 - 04/20/17 05:21 PM

Top player?

I've said 2 things to you about him all along:

-he's not the same player that left, TONS better.

-He is NOT any kind of problem, as you said he was.

Yeo has him on both PK and PP. How does a slacker get that duty? Looks like Yeo ain't with you either.

Like I said, say what you want about him but you're all alone bashing Perron.

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Top player?

I've said 2 things to you about him all along:

-he's not the same player that left, TONS better.

-He is NOT any kind of problem, as you said he was.

Yeo has him on both PK and PP. How does a slacker get that duty? Looks like Yeo ain't with you either.

Like I said, say what you want about him but you're all alone bashing Perron.




No.....he seems to be playing better for Yeo then he has played for anyone else....but I am not convinced he is not the same player he has been for every other team he didn't work out for. He sucked last night....SUCKED. His first half of the season looked like all the rest of his seasons.....mediocre at best.

Like I said, we'll see. And also like I said, I would be happy if he became the player you think he has become. The same goes for Berglund. You a big fan of that dog too now?

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254949 - 04/21/17 05:15 AM

Give me a heads up when you're happy. I don't wanna miss that.

But you should be happy. These guys are already miles ahead of where you buried them on March 1st. bwaaaaaaaaaaa

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      #254951 - 04/21/17 08:50 AM

Look man, I'm REALLY happy that Calgary is out, Chicago is out, and Boston is almost out while the Blues are still playing.

But I'm not happy that Tarasenko has once again disappeared in the playoffs, Berglund is one of the Blues best players on the ice, and Perron is being seen as some kind of savior for a team that really lacks the essentials to win a cup.

That's all.

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      #254952 - 04/21/17 12:01 PM

Well if they lack the essentials to win then sit back and expect that. Not sure what to tell you. The front nine on most any team is far from perfect. This Blue front line is missing 2 big components from last year and another 2 big components to injury this year. That's dang near half of the nine from last years final four team. There's a limit to all this.

Allen and the D has come through. To close out Minnesota this team now needs some scoring power from the front, I don't really care who it comes from.

From my seat, this team won't collapse. Won't quit. I said maybe a game or two and then bounce back. We'll see.

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      #254953 - 04/21/17 05:52 PM

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      #254957 - 04/23/17 06:52 AM

The hi's and lows of game 5 yesterday were miles apart. The difference with this team, to this point, is coming back from the lows to find ways to win.

Since March 1, this team has found ways to win, getting zero respect while doing so. Boudreau, while losing 4 of five games, including all 3 of their home games, claiming the better team did not win.

Not sure where this is going. Not liking the Preds matchup, would have much preferred Chicago. Yeo seemed to indicate the right areas to improve on during his presser I just hope he can get the team to adjust their game down ice.

Hats off to Jake and his mates. Blues advance to round 2, and I'm happy. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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      #254958 - 04/23/17 10:25 AM

They don't deserve any respect for playing well for 1/4 of the season and playing like spoiled, gutless, brats for the first 3/4. This team has to EARN respect......they owe it to their fans who watched and paid for a crap team that wasn't even enjoyable to watch for the majority of the season.

We'll see......beat Nashville and I'll sit up straight. Until then I'm the kid in the back of the class, laying back, chewing gum, feet on the chair in front of me, sarcastically shaking my head. I've been a diehard fan for 50 years and watched some damn good Blues teams. I don't just hand respect to a team like this.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254959 - 04/23/17 11:52 AM

Nashville didn't just beat Chicago, they dominated them. If the Blues figure out a way to beat them, I would say they have a shot at being just like the 2006 WS winning Cards or the LA Kings, when they rode Quick to a Cup, unexpectedly. Odds are long the way this team is built but stranger things have happened...

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      #254961 - 04/23/17 04:30 PM

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They don't deserve any respect for playing well for 1/4 of the season and playing like spoiled, gutless, brats for the first 3/4. This team has to EARN respect......they owe it to their fans who watched and paid for a crap team that wasn't even enjoyable to watch for the majority of the season.

We'll see......beat Nashville and I'll sit up straight. Until then I'm the kid in the back of the class, laying back, chewing gum, feet on the chair in front of me, sarcastically shaking my head. I've been a diehard fan for 50 years and watched some damn good Blues teams. I don't just hand respect to a team like this.

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That's you. I've been there all 50 as well. I never dissed the team like you though so I can see why they have to pass some test for your support no matter 29-6 and a first round win since Yeo took over. Still not good enough huh?

Beat Nashville and you respect them? WTF is that? Do we have a first line even close to compare?? Do we have a goalie like Rinne? Nashville brought in 2 elite players last off season, what did the Blues get to compete? The one guy they got, you call a slacker and a headcase. How the fork have you put yourself in the position to "respect" the Blues if they beat them and not if they don't??

But glad you agree with Boudreau on respect for the Blues, he's the biggest whiner in the nfl making excuses for his own failures.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254962 - 04/23/17 05:47 PM

HEY , LS....quit beating on my friend and all around great guy , griffin. He has a right to his opinion ,and dog and I are tired of your constant disrespect!

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They don't deserve any respect for playing well for 1/4 of the season and playing like spoiled, gutless, brats for the first 3/4. This team has to EARN respect......they owe it to their fans who watched and paid for a crap team that wasn't even enjoyable to watch for the majority of the season.

We'll see......beat Nashville and I'll sit up straight. Until then I'm the kid in the back of the class, laying back, chewing gum, feet on the chair in front of me, sarcastically shaking my head. I've been a diehard fan for 50 years and watched some damn good Blues teams. I don't just hand respect to a team like this.

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That's you. I've been there all 50 as well. I never dissed the team like you though so I can see why they have to pass some test for your support no matter 29-6 and a first round win since Yeo took over. Still not good enough huh?

Beat Nashville and you respect them? WTF is that? Do we have a first line even close to compare?? Do we have a goalie like Rinne? Nashville brought in 2 elite players last off season, what did the Blues get to compete? The one guy they got, you call a slacker and a headcase. How the fork have you put yourself in the position to "respect" the Blues if they beat them and not if they don't??

But glad you agree with Boudreau on respect for the Blues, he's the biggest whiner in the nfl making excuses for his own failures.

That's some good forkin company to keep.




Dude, I looked up HOMER in the dictionary tonight.....

Homer:

1. A baseball home run

2. A pathetic fan of the home team no matter how bad they are and how good they look playing the easiest schedule in the league

3. A person who claims to be a fan but starts making excuses for a playoff series loss before the series even starts

4. Last Stand

Sorry bro.....that's what it said.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254968 - 04/24/17 05:15 AM

Sorry griff but.....I ...just....cant'.....respect that.


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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
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They don't deserve any respect for playing well for 1/4 of the season and playing like spoiled, gutless, brats for the first 3/4. This team has to EARN respect......they owe it to their fans who watched and paid for a crap team that wasn't even enjoyable to watch for the majority of the season.

We'll see......beat Nashville and I'll sit up straight. Until then I'm the kid in the back of the class, laying back, chewing gum, feet on the chair in front of me, sarcastically shaking my head. I've been a diehard fan for 50 years and watched some damn good Blues teams. I don't just hand respect to a team like this.

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That's you. I've been there all 50 as well. I never dissed the team like you though so I can see why they have to pass some test for your support no matter 29-6 and a first round win since Yeo took over. Still not good enough huh?

Beat Nashville and you respect them? WTF is that? Do we have a first line even close to compare?? Do we have a goalie like Rinne? Nashville brought in 2 elite players last off season, what did the Blues get to compete? The one guy they got, you call a slacker and a headcase. How the fork have you put yourself in the position to "respect" the Blues if they beat them and not if they don't??

But glad you agree with Boudreau on respect for the Blues, he's the biggest whiner in the nfl making excuses for his own failures.

That's some good forkin company to keep.




Dude, I looked up HOMER in the dictionary tonight.....

Homer:

1. A baseball home run

2. A pathetic fan of the home team no matter how bad they are and how good they look playing the easiest schedule in the league

3. A person who claims to be a fan but starts making excuses for a playoff series loss before the series even starts

4. Last Stand

Sorry bro.....that's what it said.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: wuchang]
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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #254973 - 04/24/17 05:11 PM

Hows that popcorn sptsman?

I don't like the matchup. Check out predictions by most everyone. But hell yes I'm a homer, I'm just not confused about which team to root for, or wtf day might come about when I respect them. What ever the fork that means anyway. Good forkin grief.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254974 - 04/24/17 06:41 PM

Don't be confused, Homer....I said I'd sit up straight if they beat Nashville....I doubt I'll ever have much respect for this bunch. I don't like them. But I don't wonder who to cheer for....I hate every other team more.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254978 - 04/25/17 04:49 AM

You don't respect them, you don't like them, but you're gonna cheer for them.

Got it.

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Somehow someway please please please make this the year, it's too perfect.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #254989 - 04/25/17 06:36 PM

Dude - you're praying that the Blues can win.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254993 - 04/26/17 06:09 PM

Jesus is a Montreal Canadiens fan, every hockey fan knows this....you're rat forked.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254996 - 04/26/17 09:09 PM

Geez, can the Blues buy a faceoff? Pitiful.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #254997 - 04/27/17 04:22 AM

If Jake Allen wants to play, I mean really play, it's game on.

If not, well.........we already saw that.

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      #254998 - 04/27/17 06:42 AM

Can't forecheck. Can't clear the zone. Can't pressure the opposing goalie for a period. Fuk........NashVegas ran the same play out of the face off in the power play 3 straight times. They just rotated it to another side of the ice each time......and we couldn't figure out what was going to happen. Pitiful.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255017 - 04/30/17 03:57 PM

Poorly played, poorly coached, pathetic effort. LS, if you're still praying I suggest you ask for 2 or 3 more broken legs for the Predators.

Nashville played to the Blues weak character in the first 2 periods and beat the hell out of them....with NO response.

Get the golf clubs ready.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #255019 - 04/30/17 04:32 PM

1st comment on the PD discussion dealio about the game was by a fellow named M Jackson

and I quote:

"Flat. Only word to describe it.

Somebody remind Berglund he got an extension."


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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: wuchang]
      #255024 - 05/01/17 05:53 AM

Flat as a pancake.

But last time I checked it's a 7 game series and ain't over til it's over.

griffin you've had to wait 8 weeks to gloat I would think at this point you could wait a few more days.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #255025 - 05/01/17 08:02 AM

Nah, no gloating. I wish it wasn't so, but this team sucks. No way they can handle playoff pressure. Hell, your boy Perron has all but disappeared, along with the "resurgent" Berglund. Steen is his usual useless playoff self.....maybe more so this year since he could really help with the faceoff disparity but he plays with no life. I don't know how any of that could possibly be a surprise to anyone.

The team has a defense and goalie they can build on.....the rest needs a sledge hammer.

The Blues need a new GM (the signing of Berglund was the last straw for me).....until that happens they don't get another dime of my money.

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      #255030 - 05/01/17 04:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

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      #255038 - 05/02/17 06:16 AM

My "boy" is stuck on a line that has a dead fish in the middle of it.

The Blues are 1 of 8 teams remaining. The biggest moves they made were subtractions. They are well past your own expectations and all of your criticisms combined. Deal with it.

I agree Army has handcuffed them. "Transitional team" was his term I believe. However far they go, he should take no credit.

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They are well past your own expectations and all of your criticisms combined. Deal with it.






They are well past my expectations from this bunch of gutless wonders when they show up for a game. The Blues, from top to bottom, deserve NOTHING but criticism at this point.

Too bad you can't deal with that.......so you will get what you get for another 50 years. Mediocre hockey with no chance at a Cup. The same thing you are cheering for this year.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #255040 - 05/02/17 10:03 AM

You hate this team, the whole friggen team, and I can't deal with it?

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Dude, hate away. I'll leave you to that.

And yeah, I'm cheering for the same this year as the last 49. Leave me to that too.

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      #255044 - 05/03/17 05:48 AM

David, David, David.

Hup!

Still bleedin Blue!

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      #255047 - 05/03/17 09:03 AM

The Blues are so over-matched in the physical play that I hope someone doesn't get killed. It looks like men vs. boys. They might be able to overcome that if they had some speed, but they just don't.

If the goal is a Stanley Cup for this franchise then it's time to start over. Armstrong needs to go and the Blues need to be re-tooled around Allen, who has obviously proven himself, and Parayko as the defensive anchor. As far as I'm concerned every other player is expendable in some way if it means building this team back to contender status.

Wait until you see how bad this team gets beat up when Reeves gets lost to expansion.

The Blues, as they sit, are as far away from a Stanley Cup as they have ever been in their history.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #255054 - 05/04/17 06:35 AM

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The Blues are so over-matched in the physical play that I hope someone doesn't get killed. It looks like men vs. boys. They might be able to overcome that if they had some speed, but they just don't.

If the goal is a Stanley Cup for this franchise then it's time to start over. Armstrong needs to go and the Blues need to be re-tooled around Allen, who has obviously proven himself, and Parayko as the defensive anchor. As far as I'm concerned every other player is expendable in some way if it means building this team back to contender status.

Wait until you see how bad this team gets beat up when Reeves gets lost to expansion.

The Blues, as they sit, are as far away from a Stanley Cup as they have ever been in their history.

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      #255056 - 05/04/17 07:44 AM

Not so. I'm not talking about teams that can play in the regular season.....hell, I'm barely interested in the regular season anymore. It's useful as a long practice to refine your playoff game, but it means very little otherwise (see Nashville).

I'm simply talking about a team that can actually make a serious run at the Stanley Cup, and win it. My point is that THIS version of the Blues is further away from teams that played much worse in the regular season. It's too small, too slow, and too weak-minded. If not for Allen playing out if his mind they would have been routed against a much better skilled Wild team. Now they are just getting their asses handed to them by a much more physical team in the Preds.

Honestly......what the fork IS this team? It's mostly a collection of misfits no other teams want.....which is why we are stuck with this damn roster. I blame Armstrong for that.

This Blues team SUCKS!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #255057 - 05/04/17 08:43 AM

Could be worse - you could have the elevated expectations of the Capitals fans...

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      #255058 - 05/06/17 05:07 AM

Looks like they get to play one more...

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      #255059 - 05/06/17 12:06 PM

Crazier things have happened than the Note winning tomorrow.. Look at the Ducks - Oilers game last night! The Ducks may have just gutted the Oilers last night. The meltdown by the Oilers (up 3-0 with 3+ minutes left in the game??) has to be one of the biggest meltdowns in NHL history..

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      #255066 - 05/07/17 06:19 PM

Let the dismantling and rebuilding begin!

The only thing the Blues may have learned from this playoff experience is that Perron, Burglund, Statsny, Steen, Laterah, are the same as they've ever been. I noticed that Perron basically got benched the 3rd period today as he ramped up his boneheadedness to a whole new level.

Bring on 2017-18 and put this dog of a team down.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #255067 - 05/07/17 10:17 PM

Exactly how i feel about this boneheaded westside baseball team...

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      #255068 - 05/08/17 05:39 AM

Well, for what they had to work with I thought they had a pretty dang good run.

They need guys who can actually finish. They went through the work, they had a lot of opportunities and not just yesterday either. But they couldn't close the deal.

They need changes up front, good luck with that. They are all DA guys. Stillman needs to step in and remove him or insist on him making specific moves.

The Blues should expose some of these contracts to Las Vegas and see if they bite. Others should be protected.


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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #255070 - 05/08/17 01:18 PM

When a player shows you what they are, in terms of talent, hockey smarts, character, heart, soul, etc... you know what you have. Talent can be developed and the mistakes of youth an inexperience should never be confused with a lack of heart or even hockey smarts. But we have players that have shown season after season they are not what makes a winning team. Players that quit on a coach and got him fired. Players than have never or rarely stepped up in the biggest games and the critical moments. Players than have contracts far to big for their contribution.

The way I see it, this team does not need a complete rebuild. They need a retooling that includes getting rid of some of the dead weight and adding a few players that are simply bad-arses, when it comes to competing and holding their teammates (and themselves) accountable for anyhting less than a 100% effort. It is bad enough that slugs like Berglund (and others) play at 50% or 60% or 80% effort most of the time. What makes it worse is that nobody on that team calls them out and gets in their face.

The Blues need a player or two that doesn't care if you like him. He's going to get in your face, if you're not giving 100%. They need to get a little faster. I'm not concerned with their size, as long as they stay in the upper half of the league, in size, speed is the real issue. And they need one more pure scorer. You can't win when only one guy has the potential to score on every shift. The opposing teams can simply lock him down and make you beat them with one of your other guys. That's a problem, when all of your other guys are mediocre...

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      #255071 - 05/08/17 04:29 PM

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When a player shows you what they are, in terms of talent, hockey smarts, character, heart, soul, etc... you know what you have. Talent can be developed and the mistakes of youth an inexperience should never be confused with a lack of heart or even hockey smarts. But we have players that have shown season after season they are not what makes a winning team. Players that quit on a coach and got him fired. Players than have never or rarely stepped up in the biggest games and the critical moments. Players than have contracts far to big for their contribution.





And let's not forget that we added a couple just to make this year more special ......GUYS WHO ALREADY HAD THAT REPUTATION WITH THE REST OF THE LEAGUE!!

Get rid of Armstrong first!

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #255077 - 05/09/17 07:22 AM

And who do you replace Armstrong with? He built teams that were one if the four best in the NHL last year and one of the eight best this year. Yes, they have holes. Yes, they have a few bad contracts. Show me any NHL team that doesn't. I have no problem replacing him, if I see someone better available. I don't. Would love to know who everyone thinks would be better. I guess, I see a decent core and a need for a few critical moves. If you really think a complete blow up of the roster is in order, I suppose you want a new owner, GM, coaches and players...

Perhaps Stillman has looked and looked hard but can't find anyone better. And perhaps they do, in fact, have a plan that had this year earmarked as a transitional year. The defense is solid and will only improve offensively (and in transition) as a few of the young guns mature. The net minding is solid for the next few years. The offense needs some tweaking but it has some decent players that just need more depth / talent on the #2 &3 lines.

And finally, the remaining games are simply some great hockey to watch. Can't wait to watch the Pens vs Caps game 7!!

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      #255079 - 05/09/17 09:53 AM

What is the "decent core" of this team as you see it? I doubt it's much bigger than mine. This team just sucks in so many ways.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: sptsman]
      #255114 - 05/16/17 05:04 PM

This team does not need to be blown up. But it does need changes and they are going to be difficult to make because of the handcuffs the GM has put on the Blues. The Stasny contract has not panned out. 1 year remains. The Lehtera contract is a mess. 3 years remaining? Then the Berglund contract is NOT in the Blues long term interest and ties up money that would have been better spent RIGHT NOW. How long has he been at this? How long does he get to close this deal?? I'd rather see Barbashev out there than Berglund, any day. Why the hell not?

I'm going to agree that Armstrong is not going anywhere for now. We are stuck with him. On the threshold and holding. And holding. But he needs to be told about status quo, about the opportunity right in front of him.

If DA is truly a good GM, time to actually prove it. The Blues need a couple of big moves for scoring power. The right moves. And yeah, he's got to get it right. That's what good GM's do.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #255233 - 06/08/17 04:56 PM

Anybody want to guess who goes to the Knights?

Do the Blues dump Lehtera and give up a good draft pick doing it?

Is Reaves exposed?

Truth is this thing is a crap shoot based on who the Blues protect and who/what the Knights need. Knights have more deals to consider than a human brain can handle. I do think they will grab as many draft picks as they can out of this thing and then be making deals all summer long while they use 'em up well past the expansion draft.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: last_stand]
      #255234 - 06/08/17 06:53 PM

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last_stand said:
Anybody want to guess who goes to the Knights?




Rosenthal.

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #255272 - 06/18/17 11:28 AM

Looks like Perron and Lehtera are the big names not protected in the expansion draft. Too bad they can't both get picked and shipped off.

Bortuzzo and and Gunnerson on defense not protected.....neither is Upshall.

Nice to see them hold on to Reaves. (for now)

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: griffin]
      #255285 - 06/21/17 06:02 PM

Bump...

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Re: 2016-2017 Saint Louis Blues [Re: Bubba]
      #255286 - 06/21/17 08:22 PM

Perron gone.....5th team in 4 years.....but no, he's a guy you really need on your team.

Good riddance.

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