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Re: Cards....... [Re: last_stand]
      #255675 - 08/15/17 05:22 PM

Uh........lots of people. His non contact batting average is one of the worst in the league. That's a strikeout, walk or hit batter. Its the worst actually non contact BA in the league. He hits nearly 77% of the fastballs thrown to him. He hits about 61% of the breaking balls. Breaking balls and balls up give him fits. I'd explain more but you go read the article. I'm not the only one who thinks he can't his the slow curvy chit......or the high chit. He isn't the next Mike Trout or Pujols.

Just watch his AB's. See what balls he hits and which ones he doesn't. Pay attention the ones leaving the park and the ones becoming ours or K's. Have someon help you kept track of pitch speeds and locations confuse you.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255680 - 08/16/17 05:42 AM

You don't have to explain anything to me, it's pretty much exactly what I said.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: last_stand]
      #255683 - 08/16/17 12:49 PM

So which is it grandpa.........he can hit the off-speed stuff or he can't. Are you saying he can't hit it now??

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Re: Cards....... [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255684 - 08/16/17 03:59 PM

Well junior, he can hit curve balls, as I said he is 1.5 runs above average hitting them.

He hits fastballs far better, like most players, and that's hardly breaking news.

His biggest issue, by far, is pitch selection and swinging at more strikes and fewer balls. That's his number one problem, pretty obvious.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: last_stand]
      #255689 - 08/17/17 05:35 AM

Wore out with these umpires who all have their own version of what a basic ball and strike are.

Baseball needs to go to Radar/infra red whatever technology for balls and strikes.

In or out. No more imagination.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: last_stand]
      #255690 - 08/17/17 06:44 AM

Ump didn't have anything to do with Carpenter being thrown out at the plate ON A FORKING SINGLE TO CENTER FIELD-- wasn't even close

Ump didn't throw a right down the middle of the plate straight fastball on the 2nd pitch to a Sox player who promptly hit it over the Green Monster in the 9th inning

Ump didn't throw a hanging slider that was hit to the wall with the RISP in the 9th inning

Ump didn't botch the relay to the plate that should have at least resulted in an extra innings game

Did the ump have a by guess and by golly strike zone?--- yep

Did the by guess and by golly strike zone lead to extra men on in the 9th?-- yep

The Cards choked---
give the ump an assist but the Birds just could not close the game out


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Re: Cards....... [Re: wuchang]
      #255692 - 08/17/17 09:07 AM

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wuchang said:
Ump didn't have anything to do with Carpenter being thrown out at the plate ON A FORKING SINGLE TO CENTER FIELD-- wasn't even close

Ump didn't throw a right down the middle of the plate straight fastball on the 2nd pitch to a Sox player who promptly hit it over the Green Monster in the 9th inning

Ump didn't throw a hanging slider that was hit to the wall with the RISP in the 9th inning

Ump didn't botch the relay to the plate that should have at least resulted in an extra innings game

Did the ump have a by guess and by golly strike zone?--- yep

Did the by guess and by golly strike zone lead to extra men on in the 9th?-- yep

The Cards choked---
give the ump an assist but the Birds just could not close the game out




Is that you dawg? bwaaaaa

I never said a word about the loss.

Time for auto strikes and balls.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: last_stand]
      #255693 - 08/17/17 09:19 AM

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Time for auto strikes and balls.




FORK THAT!!!!

For chrissakes.....that's the stupidest chit I've ever heard of.

It's the forking roboduck of baseball and you can kiss my arse with that chit.

So you want to take away the whole "I better swing at that because the ump may just call it a strike???"

WTF is wrong with people that they have become ok with taking the human component out of sports. I guess we can have a buzz for a strike and a beep for a ball huh?? STUPID!!!!!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Cards....... [Re: griffin]
      #255694 - 08/17/17 09:31 AM

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griffin said:
Quote:

last_stand said:

Time for auto strikes and balls.




FORK THAT!!!!

For chrissakes.....that's the stupidest chit I've ever heard of.

It's the forking roboduck of baseball and you can kiss my arse with that chit.

So you want to take away the whole "I better swing at that because the ump may just call it a strike???"

WTF is wrong with people that they have become ok with taking the human component out of sports. I guess we can have a buzz for a strike and a beep for a ball huh?? STUPID!!!!!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




That's a bold statement right there!!!!


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Re: Cards....... [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255696 - 08/17/17 10:49 AM

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That be the first place Cardinals now. Old money is kicking it into gear.



Well..Not so much.. Uh-oh is it the dreaded Dawg jinx?!?!

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Re: Cards....... [Re: IIFID]
      #255700 - 08/17/17 02:34 PM

Have the Royals been in first place or tied for first since opening Day?

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Re: Cards....... [Re: last_stand]
      #255701 - 08/17/17 02:43 PM

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last_stand said:
Quote:

wuchang said:
Ump didn't have anything to do with Carpenter being thrown out at the plate ON A FORKING SINGLE TO CENTER FIELD-- wasn't even close

Ump didn't throw a right down the middle of the plate straight fastball on the 2nd pitch to a Sox player who promptly hit it over the Green Monster in the 9th inning

Ump didn't throw a hanging slider that was hit to the wall with the RISP in the 9th inning

Ump didn't botch the relay to the plate that should have at least resulted in an extra innings game

Did the ump have a by guess and by golly strike zone?--- yep

Did the by guess and by golly strike zone lead to extra men on in the 9th?-- yep

The Cards choked---
give the ump an assist but the Birds just could not close the game out




Is that you dawg? bwaaaaa

I never said a word about the loss.

Time for auto strikes and balls.




Hey Sybil

If Dawg had made the post --- his name would have been on it

Since you will probably decide that the old school ump is better than some robot in a couple of days, you can play cute and act like your post wasn't a knee jerk--
or in your case just plain jerk response to last night's game--

it is cool and pretty much your SOP and most of us are used to it and no skin is lost either way but......

You just need to step up cupcake


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Re: Cards....... [Re: last_stand]
      #255703 - 08/17/17 03:00 PM

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Well junior, he can hit curve balls, as I said he is 1.5 runs above average hitting them.

He hits fastballs far better, like most players, and that's hardly breaking news.

His biggest issue, by far, is pitch selection and swinging at more strikes and fewer balls. That's his number one problem, pretty obvious.




Well Capt Obvious it's the breaking balls out of the strike zone that is causing him to swing and miss. He thinks he is getting the heater, and the bottom falls out of it. He has one of the WORST non contact averages in the entire league. He makes contact with about 60% of the breaking balls thrown to him. Nearly 80% ok fastballs. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what to throw him. Breaking balls that start on the plate and fastballs high in the zone. Those two things are the reason he would strike out 200 times in a normal season. The good teams with good pitching figure that chit out, and production falls once they don't throw a fastball to him. He has to make corrections to stay around.

Much like Carpenter never swinging at the first pitch and not making adjustments to do so. I hope DeJong keeps smashing the ball and hits 30-40 HR a year every year. I just don't see it happening if he doesn't adjust to MLB off speed pitches.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: wuchang]
      #255704 - 08/17/17 03:10 PM

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Have the Royals been in first place or tied for first since opening Day?




Don't confuse New Money. Unlike the Cardinals who have been in First place for a couple weeks his season, New Money hasn't spent a day in 1st place.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: IIFID]
      #255705 - 08/17/17 03:20 PM

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IIFID said:
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H2ODOG said:
That be the first place Cardinals now. Old money is kicking it into gear.



Well..Not so much.. Uh-oh is it the dreaded Dawg jinx?!?!




Dreaded dawg Jinx??????? You mean like not writing off the Redbirds when we were 9.5 games back from Atlanta or say we would sign Tillmon, the Porter Brothers, and Harris...........mmmnnn K. Ya the only one I misses there was the Knox kid.

Cards have the bats to get into the playoffs. The starting pitching will be the demise of this team. The bullpen is coming around.except Cecil. Rosenthal has an issue to get looked at now. The Cards have a way better chance of winning the Central than the Royals do of winning their Division. Bet that 50-11 times.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: wuchang]
      #255706 - 08/17/17 03:30 PM

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wuchang said:
Quote:

last_stand said:
Quote:

wuchang said:
Ump didn't have anything to do with Carpenter being thrown out at the plate ON A FORKING SINGLE TO CENTER FIELD-- wasn't even close

Ump didn't throw a right down the middle of the plate straight fastball on the 2nd pitch to a Sox player who promptly hit it over the Green Monster in the 9th inning

Ump didn't throw a hanging slider that was hit to the wall with the RISP in the 9th inning

Ump didn't botch the relay to the plate that should have at least resulted in an extra innings game

Did the ump have a by guess and by golly strike zone?--- yep

Did the by guess and by golly strike zone lead to extra men on in the 9th?-- yep

The Cards choked---
give the ump an assist but the Birds just could not close the game out




Is that you dawg? bwaaaaa

I never said a word about the loss.

Time for auto strikes and balls.




Hey Sybil

If Dawg had made the post --- his name would have been on it

Since you will probably decide that the old school ump is better than some robot in a couple of days, you can play cute and act like your post wasn't a knee jerk--
or in your case just plain jerk response to last night's game--

it is cool and pretty much your SOP and most of us are used to it and no skin is lost either way but......

You just need to step up cupcake




I'm still waiting for DeJong to step up and hit the breaking speed
Stuff. Captain obviousl flips every day on that one

It's just the breaking balls off the plate........ :rotflmao I thought a break ball was a pitch that looked like a strike and falls out of the zone as a ball, but the batter gets fooled and swings with a miss. Sure the hanging BB, DeJong crushes. 99% of MLB players crush the hanger. A .300 hitter than DeJong is right now, is on pace for 200 K's a season. A 200 strikeout guys doesn't hit .300
He might hit 40 HR's but he will be hitting about .230 at best

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Re: Cards....... [Re: griffin]
      #255707 - 08/17/17 04:00 PM

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griffin said:
Quote:

last_stand said:

Time for auto strikes and balls.




FORK THAT!!!!

For chrissakes.....that's the stupidest chit I've ever heard of.

It's the forking roboduck of baseball and you can kiss my arse with that chit.

So you want to take away the whole "I better swing at that because the ump may just call it a strike???"

WTF is wrong with people that they have become ok with taking the human component out of sports. I guess we can have a buzz for a strike and a beep for a ball huh?? STUPID!!!!!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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Re: Cards....... [Re: last_stand]
      #255711 - 08/17/17 09:11 PM

I hear you........robofan.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: wuchang]
      #255712 - 08/17/17 09:14 PM

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wuchang said:
Quote:

last_stand said:
Quote:

wuchang said:
Ump didn't have anything to do with Carpenter being thrown out at the plate ON A FORKING SINGLE TO CENTER FIELD-- wasn't even close

Ump didn't throw a right down the middle of the plate straight fastball on the 2nd pitch to a Sox player who promptly hit it over the Green Monster in the 9th inning

Ump didn't throw a hanging slider that was hit to the wall with the RISP in the 9th inning

Ump didn't botch the relay to the plate that should have at least resulted in an extra innings game

Did the ump have a by guess and by golly strike zone?--- yep

Did the by guess and by golly strike zone lead to extra men on in the 9th?-- yep

The Cards choked---
give the ump an assist but the Birds just could not close the game out




Is that you dawg? bwaaaaa

I never said a word about the loss.

Time for auto strikes and balls.




Hey Sybil

If Dawg had made the post --- his name would have been on it

Since you will probably decide that the old school ump is better than some robot in a couple of days, you can play cute and act like your post wasn't a knee jerk--
or in your case just plain jerk response to last night's game--

it is cool and pretty much your SOP and most of us are used to it and no skin is lost either way but......

You just need to step up cupcake




Dammit anyway.....the Clan has come out of retirement.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: griffin]
      #255714 - 08/18/17 05:28 AM

My post had zero to do with the loss or I would have said so. Rosenthals 92 mile an hour fastball is more like it. And you calling my post knee jerk? bwaaaaaaaaaa

That clown had 24 calls out of the box, most went against the sox.

But you guys needn't worry, I'm sure baseball isn't about to fix that mess anytime soon. They love the human element so much they over rule them on video routinely. bwaaaaaaaaaa

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Re: Cards....... [Re: last_stand]
      #255716 - 08/18/17 05:49 AM

Ok Sybil

In the words of my millennial niece

Whatever


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Re: Cards....... [Re: wuchang]
      #255717 - 08/18/17 07:26 AM

Whelp. After watching the game last night it looks like the Cards finally found a team with a bullpen worse than theirs.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: fish]
      #255810 - 08/30/17 01:41 PM

So the Redbirds traded Leake.........for another infielder AND we sent Seattle $17 million. Leake started the season strong and couldn't get run support. He has fallen off hard the last couple months. When our bullpen needs serious work, we trade for an infielder. What the Fork???? Weaver should fill a void, but that still leaves us a starter short. Wacha is hit or miss. He's fighting Swain's for the #4 spot IMO

Who the fork do they plan to use as a starting pitcher now???? Waiting is done as a starter. He needs to hit he bullpen again to finish his career. His control isn't there. His velocity is down. If he had control like Maddox or Smoltz, with his lower velocity he could stay in the rotation. He's a #4 starter at best.

Mo has to spend some of that $1 Billion TV package money. We need real starters, Cecil needs to go, a real reliever and bullpen help needs to be found, and a true power hitter in the OF or at 1st. This piece mill chit ain't working.

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Re: Cards....... [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255811 - 08/30/17 03:31 PM

i think if leake woulda got a haircut, he'd a been a lot better..



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Re: Cards....... [Re: HAUS]
      #255815 - 08/31/17 06:05 PM

Where is LS and his analysis?

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