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I guess I will start the West/East Thread
      #255568 - 08/07/17 09:33 AM

My predictions -

New money takes 3 out of the 4 from the "Greatest Team in History"

Attendance numbers will favor the St. Louis stadium, but there will also be noticeably more Blue in the two games held in St. Louis than there will be Red in the two games held in KC.

Nobody will get shot from a grassy knoll at either stadium.

Royals will blow one game thanks to the bullpen and Matheny will blow one game on some bonehead management decision.

That about covers it.


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: dabs]
      #255570 - 08/07/17 11:55 AM

At least you have a team you can predict.

My team is, until seen otherwise AND managed properly, a .500 team. If we ever actually bring up and field the best players who support its starting pitching, this might change.

Which brings up a simple request, if we can only win 1 game of the four, let it be the first one. We haven't made .500 in 6 attempts since June.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: last_stand]
      #255571 - 08/07/17 01:59 PM

More ducks on the west side.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Deadeye]
      #255572 - 08/07/17 04:26 PM

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More ducks on the west side.




And probably a better baseball team this year


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: wuchang]
      #255573 - 08/07/17 05:52 PM

Dog,

I'll wager with you $100 the Royals win the series this week with Cards. If I win the bet, I want 5lb. of Sandhill crane steaks sent me via dry ice. Don't send any freezer-burned birds...

Otherwise no bet.


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255574 - 08/07/17 06:26 PM

Mac, I know Dog a bit so be careful, he may take the bet, but....if he wins he's gonna want you to ban yourself from this board.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255575 - 08/07/17 06:28 PM

Regardless of the first game outcome, the bet stands dog. You cant beat that!!! Still 0-0....

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255576 - 08/07/17 06:33 PM

That ain't gonna happen griff. I am one of the originals on hera,and I am goin' no where...circa 1999...

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255577 - 08/07/17 07:20 PM

Mebbe too late for you...7-1, guess I will modify my in your absence. Bet is now $75 gor crane....
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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255579 - 08/07/17 07:52 PM

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That ain't gonna happen griff. I am one of the originals on hera,and I am goin' no where...circa 1999...




If you were not on the cafe until 99 you were not among the originals. I think I remember I was member #31... I know for sure it was 1997.

By 1999 you would have had 1000 or so in front of you....just saying.

You were, however, one of the original bird brai.....er.....watchers on there.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: griffin]
      #255580 - 08/07/17 08:05 PM

I joined shortly after returning from NL in 99. How many from that era are yet here, grasshopper?

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255581 - 08/07/17 08:15 PM

BTW, butt out. This is between dog and me Griff...... 7

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255582 - 08/07/17 08:40 PM

11-2, bottom of 9th. Royals beat down tonight...dammit it!

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255583 - 08/07/17 08:53 PM

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I joined shortly after returning from NL in 99. How many from that era are yet here, grasshopper?




Uh.....just about everybody still left is from that era ya bonehead......stop drinking the hummingbird juice....geez.


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: griffin]
      #255584 - 08/07/17 09:24 PM

Always the flat foot....geez.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255585 - 08/07/17 10:08 PM

When I was a kid we had an old tractor tire in the backyard filled with sand to play in. It was next to the dog pen we kept our White German Shephard named Frosty in.

It was a big backyard compared to most these days.


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255586 - 08/07/17 10:35 PM

So let me get this straight.........I'm supposed to pack 5 pounds of
Sandhill crane meat into a box I have to buy or a smaller cooler,
With dry ice, drive it from BFE Texas to a shipping center so I can ship it overnight to God knows where in Nebraska. Overnight Shipping $100 minimum. Find dry ice in Amarillo and buy it. $20 Drive to Amarillo to ship the damn stuff $50. Smaller cooler for ice and meat. $15. Food and drinks in Amarillo's since I'm there. $50. I'm well over $200 before I scout fields for a couple days putting 2-300 miles on my truck finding them and then finding the X where I have to be. Ghuille suits for 5-6 guys hunting @ $70 each . $400/dz for decoys @ 3-5 dozen out.

5 pounds of breasts meat would mean 3-5 birds, so now we are talking two days of hunting, because I sure as fork know no one I hunt with is sharing their limit birds to send to some flatlander from Nebraska. My time spent cleaning 3-5 birds and preparing them to ship.......................................all for the chance of winning $100??????!!???!!?????!!??? My first question is, how damn high are you?? If I wanted to spend literally days of my time for $100, I'd go back in time to 1989 where I worked baling hay and I was getting to fingerbang and try to fork the farmers daughter before and after work. I knew I was getting forked for cheap labor, but I was making up for it in beardedclam trading.

Add another zero to your figure Homer. $1000 for the series win vs 5 pounds of crane. I'll even send some shitty red wine that Bailey picks out to Pair with the cranes. I'm gonna chill the chit out of that wine too, hoping it makes it taste worst than it is. So what say you big spender??? You get t o Piss away several days of my time for your bet or I get $1000.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255587 - 08/08/17 05:17 AM

game
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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: wuchang]
      #255588 - 08/08/17 05:38 AM

If Carpenter is waking up from his 14 month nap this is a really bad time to be betting against the Cardinals.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: last_stand]
      #255589 - 08/08/17 11:17 AM

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At least you have a team you can predict.

My team is, until seen otherwise AND managed properly, a .500 team. If we ever actually bring up and field the best players who support its starting pitching, this might change.

Which brings up a simple request, if we can only win 1 game of the four, let it be the first one. We haven't made .500 in 6 attempts since June.






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If Carpenter is waking up from his 14 month nap this is a really bad time to be betting against the Cardinals.




Make up your damn mind. First we can't play. Then we can't win. Now we are going on a 20 game win streak because of Carp. Get on the bandwagon or get off. If you need help knowing how to do that, reach out to any of the west side bunch. They are quiet capable of showing you how to do it without getting hurt.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255590 - 08/08/17 12:34 PM

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa..........I haven't made up my mind or should I change it like you every other day?

You still want Diaz at short? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Get over yourself dude. You ain't that smart.

And since you don't believe in "stepping up" in sports ......bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..........why bother?

This team HAS the potential, HAS the horses......but play more like a horses ass better part of the year.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: last_stand]
      #255591 - 08/08/17 03:36 PM

Yeah, that's it, they need to "step up".....maybe they can add the great infield tandem of Steen and Statsny.

Edited by griffin (08/08/17 03:37 PM)


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: griffin]
      #255592 - 08/08/17 05:26 PM

Dog,

You'll hunt crane regardless of the bet. Mebbe 3# of crane would be more fair. Keep the wine, thanks anyway.

Dog,you rich. Don't you want my $?


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255593 - 08/08/17 05:36 PM

I'll even cover the shipping cost dog. It ain't that much.

Royals down a game, got to win the next 3 for me to collect. Easy money, and I don't mind droppin' a c-note to you. Hell, Yer entertaiment value alone is worth it!


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255594 - 08/08/17 07:52 PM

Foo. Missed another chance to skin me dog...

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255595 - 08/08/17 08:34 PM

Okay....based on my predictions I would be aware of grassy knolls the next couple of nights

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: dabs]
      #255596 - 08/08/17 09:41 PM

Admittedly, just like most of the people who actually live in KC, I hadn't seen the Royals play this year. In watching this series with the Redbirds, I must say.....they are a damn juggernaut.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: griffin]
      #255597 - 08/09/17 05:21 AM

Someone called the Cardinals the "best team in history".

Is that really true?

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255598 - 08/09/17 06:44 AM

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Foo. Missed another chance to skin me dog...




I realize you just have someone pay for your hunt, you get on a plane and go. Monty and the Wreckers get $300 day to hunt. Meisencunt is now $350/day. Why don't you just have you boss pony up the cash to go hunt them if you are needing crane meat so bad.

I know I'll go hunt cranes this fall for a few days and I'll keep all the meat.

A $100 bill from you doesn't even cover the cost of fuel to scout, let alone my time and effort..........my chance to skin ya. Your cheap ass wasn't even in the game to begin. Maybe if you said a quart bad of walleye or 1/2 gallon of crappie vs $100 you might have peaked my interest. A 2 day guided hunt to get your 5 pounds of meat will set you back$6-700 just in guide fees. Not including tips, hotel, food, license, and food...........which is how I came up with $1000. Obviously you didn't have faith in your team.

I was way too busy solo scuba diving yesterday and catching up with old friends to worry about your $100 bet. Maybe next year you can man up and have some faith in your team

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: last_stand]
      #255599 - 08/09/17 06:51 AM

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bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa..........I haven't made up my mind or should I change it like you every other day?

You still want Diaz at short? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Get over yourself dude. You ain't that smart.

And since you don't believe in "stepping up" in sports ......bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..........why bother?

This team HAS the potential, HAS the horses......but play more like a horses ass better part of the year.




Dude.......you forget from day to day which way you need to root. Did you wear your Carpenter Jersey to bed last night??

I'll take Diaz on the big club over .198 Greg Garcia. DeJong has played well Let's see him repeat it the rest of the season or next year.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255601 - 08/09/17 08:53 AM

I root one way, every day. I just do it with my eyes open. Has zero to do with giving up or walking away.

I seldom hate a player. They're all trying that I can see. If they got birds and a bat on their jersey, I'll pull for them to get back up but they need to held accountable. Carpenter, who I really like, should have been benched eons ago. For his own sake as well as the teams.

If this team had a solid manager, one who held his players accountable, one who recognizes when to bench and when to not depend upon, one who knows how to measure all his players with the same criteria.........including vets...we be on top, warts and all.

Basically, this team, far from perfect, needs to win without a good manager. That's how I see it.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: last_stand]
      #255604 - 08/09/17 10:10 AM

Dammit, Matheny needs to step up!!

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: griffin]
      #255606 - 08/09/17 12:32 PM

Lots of players do, but Matheny needs to go.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: last_stand]
      #255611 - 08/09/17 05:34 PM

Hello from the Central part of the state..

Just got back from 9 days in Alaska ,turn on my computer and see nothing has changed up in hera. So I stand with Last Stand!!!

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Bubba]
      #255613 - 08/09/17 09:36 PM

29 runs in 3 games. Sheesh! Cards playing the best they have all year. Lucky if we scratch 1 out of 4......bummer!!!!

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255614 - 08/09/17 09:37 PM

Damn cat!!!!

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255616 - 08/10/17 07:59 AM

Anyone dumb enough to think 5 pounds of crane breasts were worth $100...........is dumb enough to think KC stood a chance.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255617 - 08/10/17 01:00 PM

I went with the family to the game Tuesday night, crowd seemed to be split 50/50...funny thing was, there was a lot of closet cards fans there or you haven't got any new superstars, all I saw was old Ankiel or Freese jerseys...

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: DjF]
      #255618 - 08/10/17 01:07 PM

I'd rather see old Freese and Ankiel jerseys than new Royals hats that were bought an hour before game time.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255619 - 08/10/17 01:20 PM

Maybe the Royals can salvage one game of the series tonight.

Someone on that damn squad needs to step up.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: griffin]
      #255620 - 08/10/17 01:31 PM

I noticed ol water head Mac didn't step up when I said $1000 to put up or shut up. New money has no faith.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255622 - 08/10/17 05:28 PM

Dog, the Royals are taking a beating by the Cards, no doubt....

Bein' the birdwatcher/duck hunter I am, I used to think shooting a crane as not an option. But over the last couple decades, their numbers have increased. So it's good, but I never expected that crane was such a succulent meal.

Ironically, the only time I ever had crane steak was at the last Fish and Fowl I flew back to from OH for the weekend.

The crane was provided, courteously by you, Dog. I was grateful then as much as I am now for that...

Perhaps we organize a hunt sometime. I'll pony up $ as needed, and keep you whole. I always do...

I could fly down and meet you. PM me if you'd be interested. I'll treat you fair.


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255623 - 08/10/17 06:30 PM

My trips to TX for ducks and cranes are already booked for this season. Supposed to hit NZ and Australia for 3 weeks in Dec/January so my dates are more limited this year.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255625 - 08/10/17 07:55 PM

Good luck bagging some parries, Jeff. The hens are quite colorful.

I was down under some years back,and the plans to hunt and work didn't mesh. Season in NZ runs til June as I recall. Moon light hunting permitted so you'll feel tight at home! LOL!!!!

As for crane hunting, perhaps I could join you for a hunt. Mebbe you could see if the outfitter there is a spot for me to join yall.

No pressure, just figure it would be an option..


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255626 - 08/10/17 08:07 PM

Man, I can certainly see why ya'll are excited about this cute little ball club you've got over there.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: griffin]
      #255627 - 08/10/17 08:58 PM

December and January is their summer. There won't be much to hunt. Everything will be in velvet but Tahr and Chamois. They will be in summer coats. Ducks, which is the only thing in NZ to have a season is closed. It won't open until April. How exactly does a person go to NZ........stay here for a good amount of time and NOT HUNT??? That's like going to the Playboy Mansion and not banging some hot chick. NZ has no Season for anything. No limits. You don't have to pack out the meat. It's a free forall on public land.


I don't go guided for cranes. Never have. I use a buddies decoys and ghuille suits or box blind. With access to 400,000+ acres of prime private land, I don't need an outfitter. I have certain guys I hunt with every year and the available spots are all full for Texas. They fill up a year plus in advance and most go back every year. My crane hunting is done by Mid Dec with the birds pushing south. January is for redfish/snook and pintails/redheads on the coast.........or awesome puddle duck hunting in the panhandle. Crane hunting for me is only 4-5 weeks at best.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: griffin]
      #255628 - 08/10/17 08:59 PM

Yeah, Cards blew us up, no doubt....

The only consolation is I root for the Cards, after the Royals.

Go Cards!

Royals, step up!!!


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255629 - 08/10/17 09:03 PM

Mac - I'm going for Cranes this year with Dog......I'll tell you what, I'll bring back 5 lbs and ship them to you...
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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: griffin]
      #255630 - 08/10/17 09:22 PM

Make sure we split the $1000. I'll toss in 2 1/2 pounds for it


And before you ask about 2018-2019 season Mac........it's booked also. We are currently not accepting applications to hunt with us. Plus I very very rarely guide for cash. I trade out hunts every year in other places for Texas crane hunts. Seeing how you don't have any waterfowling to trade out...........you won't be getting one of those spots I hold back either.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255631 - 08/10/17 09:28 PM

My prediction is Mac hunts cranes with the Eastsiders before it is all said and done.

I think I probably just sealed the deal for you Mac based on my predictions so far this week.

See how I stepped up


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255632 - 08/10/17 09:31 PM

It's gotta take something good for me to trade a crane hunt Mac. For instance........here are some things I've traded or are trading Sink Box Black duck hunt in Canada. Rhode Island layouts for Brant's, eiders, and sea ducks. Alligator hunting for life in Florida. Cali diver hunting. Lake Michigan layout hunting and salmon fishing. Maine Eiders. Maryland divers. Louisiana redfish and canvasback combo. Washington state layouts. Snake river hunting. Great salt lake airboat hunting. Platte River mallards.

You know something different. Something I haven't done. You gotta bring something to the table besides cash. Flashing some cash doesn't get me excited. If it did, I wouldn't carry a fancy big rock in my pocket every day.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: dabs]
      #255633 - 08/10/17 10:09 PM

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My prediction is Mac hunts cranes with the Eastsiders before it is all said and done.

I think I probably just sealed the deal for you Mac based on my predictions so far this week.

See how I stepped up




My prediction is this. The rod rack on my boat gets replaced by the dude who tore it off.........before Mac gets to crane hunt with me. Bet that 50-11 times over.



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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255638 - 08/11/17 03:09 PM

Then mebbe someday I'll return yer rack.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255639 - 08/11/17 05:39 PM

Dabs,

Yeah, thanks fer steppin' up.LOL...

Dog,

I can can have a hunt booked in 24 hours. I can and do fly with my gun, ammo and gear. Pick up an suv and be on birds the next day. I've done it, did it and got the t-shirts. A closet full...big deal.

I've enjoyed doing this all over including Europe and made a few friends along the way.

I'd probably get tired of yer hubris long before the hunt was over. The only "rock" you've shown us is not in yer pocket. It's between yer ears....


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255640 - 08/11/17 06:20 PM

Well then I guess you can book one of you are Jonesing for a crane hunt this year. I save a few spots every year for someone wanted to trade a hunt. I still haven't seen you stepping up with one of those either. You're cash doesn't interest me. All the nin trading spots are full.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255641 - 08/11/17 07:20 PM

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My prediction is Mac hunts cranes with the Eastsiders before it is all said and done.

I think I probably just sealed the deal for you Mac based on my predictions so far this week.

See how I stepped up




My prediction is this. The rod rack on my boat gets replaced by the dude who tore it off.........before Mac gets to crane hunt with me. Bet that 50-11 times over.






So...I replace the brole down rod rack and you take Mac crane huntin?

Let me know where you want me to send it - I will step up for the good of the crane!!! :1pocorn: :1popcorn:

Fair Dinkum?


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: dabs]
      #255642 - 08/11/17 08:42 PM

Well I can tell you we ain't gonna jet yer arse for a Reel Foot hunt....

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: dabs]
      #255643 - 08/11/17 08:48 PM

It was actually a 6 month old rod rack. I'd have to get dimensions for it since the guy won't make them anymore. It still isn't getting Mac on a crane hunt. It just opens the door up for a trade. His money is no good......and he can't figure that out. I'm still waiting for him to tell me what he has for a trade.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255644 - 08/11/17 08:56 PM

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Well I can tell you we ain't gonna jet yer arse for a Reel Foot hunt....




Reelfoot doesn't interest me. Hunting some giant blind for duck with 500-11 decoys and a blind breakfastwith a fancy boat ride........Just like Big Lake or 10,000 other blinds in Louisiana. Been here. Done that.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255790 - 08/25/17 09:23 PM

Dog, I could pull some strings and put you on a hunt of a lifetime....but I ain't gonna...

You got a great gig going no doubt, but nothing exclusive in my opinion. There's plenty of hunting anywhere I choose to go.

Carry on.....


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255791 - 08/25/17 09:45 PM

Oh Lort!!!!!

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: Mac]
      #255792 - 08/26/17 08:43 AM

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Dog, I could pull some strings and put you on a hunt of a lifetime....but I ain't gonna...

You got a great gig going no doubt, but nothing exclusive in my opinion. There's plenty of hunting anywhere I choose to go.

Carry on.....





Pull some stings for the hunt of a lifetime.

I sent a buddy to New Zealand to hunt with my guy. He killed a Tahr, red stag, fallow deer. Sitka deer, ducks, turkeys, and had a chance at a chamois. It cost him some Jet A for the chopper. That's a hunt of a lifetime for me. I've got that deal covered. I've killed bear, moose, caribou, every species of duck except one.

If it wasn't so exlusive everyone would be killing cranes and you wouldn't have been asking. Your money is no good like I said.

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: H2ODOG]
      #255793 - 08/27/17 06:15 AM

Hey Mac

When you think Sandhill Crane you think of the Sandhills of Nebraska and your forking state doesn't even have a season for them.

But..........

The Platte is a where all the blue hair tennis shoe wearing old bird biddies want to be in the spring because the cranes stage their northern migration there.

I guess Nebraska is ate up with pheasant hunting or have they gone crazy and become deer hunters?


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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: wuchang]
      #255794 - 08/27/17 08:17 AM

Mac - it's funny you used the term "hunt of a lifetime". I've got a buddy who runs National class German Shorthairs. He told me that he heard there were a bunch of quail in Texas last year and wanted to get in on some of it. I called your nemesis and within a few weeks we were in Texas with him hunting quail on 60,000 acres of private ranch. We put up 82 coveys in about 12 hours of total hunting.....craziest chit I've ever seen. My buddy told me on the way home that was "a hunt of a lifetime".....and he's hunted quail for 40 years with some of the best dogs in the country. I'm just saying......you're so far out of your league on this one you'd be better off touting that minor league baseball team in that dump where you live as "a team for the ages".

BUT.......I'll say this, if I get one of my buds asking me where we could go to kill a bushel full of humming birds, I know who to call for "a hunt of a lifetime".

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Re: I guess I will start the West/East Thread [Re: griffin]
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