griffin
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Jaeger said: Their corporatist/statist policies and profligate spending have destroyed any chance of a recovery, and it will not be till their horrible rule is completely and totally reversed, the unions stripped of their ownership of private companies and the government’s divestment, and passage of laws preventing such an abhorrent deformity from ever being attempted again, will the business community start to shed the uncertainty that this out of control government has slammed us with.
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!! 
griffin
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MissBudweiser
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stoneman said:
---I'm moving to Canada !--Miss Bud ---where you at because not sure I can handle the Frenchy's ---God save the Queen !--
If you can't handle the French, you're going to LOVE being a slave to the Queen, dumbass.
We don't need anymore peace-loving immigrants looking for 'free' healthcare. We need good healthcare, because socialized healthcare doesn't work.
And, before you start asking me what the difference is between you and I, READ your constitution, your bill of rights, you'll damn soon figure out what the difference is.
AND, pay special attention to The 10th Ammendment, and see how your States have a right to nullify the laws of your Federal Government. Another FREEDOM that doesn't exist here.
The 10th Amendment Movement is an effort to push back against unconstitutional federal laws and regulations on a state level. The principle is known as “nullification,” and was advised by many prominent founders.
Current Nullification Efforts:
10th Amendment Resolutions
10th Amendment Bills
Firearms Freedom Act
Medical Marijuana Laws
REAL ID
Health Care
Bring the Guard Home
Constitutional Tender Cap and Trade
Federal Tax Funds Act
Sheriffs First Legislation
Federal Gun Laws
Regulation of Intrastate Commerce
Potential Future Efforts:
Patriot Act
No Child Left Behind
State-Initiated Constitutional Amendments
History of Nullification: While the media generally portrays nullification as being solely aligned with the efforts of the nullifiers of the South and the Civil War, this is certainly false, and reeks of misinformation. Nullification has a long history in the American tradition and has been invoked in support of free speech, in opposition to war and fugitive slave laws, and more.
You see, if ANY ONE of these laws affect your private life, and I'll betcha all of them do, you might want to start thinking about the future, and why YOUR founders gave YOUR STATES these rights.
MAYBE they were trying to figure out what to do when and if The Messiah got elected.....
AND when Yaeger's talking to you about Civil War, he's dead serious.
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Jaeger
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You weren't looking for your communist beliefs to get any sort of validation from MissBud, where you Stoneman?
Griffin, things have to either get MUCH worse, or there has to be a real Constitutional Crisis before things will get "fun". I toss out civil war to make a point, not that I literally think there will be one.
Only about a third of the American colonials supported the revolt against the crown in the Revolutionary War. Vastly fewer ever served. By the time Washington retreated to Valley Forge the Revolution was virtually over, and the Colonists virtually defeated. The soldiers marching through the snow with no shoes represented 2.5% of the able bodied fighting men in America on that Christmas Eve in 1776 (2400 men), but their victory at Trenton that night breathed life into the revolution, swelled the Revolutionary Army into the tens of thousands, and set the stage for Cornwallis’ surrender five years later.
People with full bellies (or as sptsman would say, people who have, whisky, beer nuts, cable TV, and professional sports) aren’t the revolutionary types. That, and, “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
I’m probably one of the first ones to say that “these evils” are insufferable, and I have no doubt that I’d be agitating long before “the people” were on board. I know what war is, and I know that I do not want it here under any circumstances, because I am a sane person. However, if this government is so unafraid of us, and believes itself so all powerful and its corruption so far beyond our ability to correct and reign in, this Republic will continue to become a tyranny, and our society, culture, and economy will continue to decline. Our children will look back at our freedom and glory, and wonder who we traded it away so willingly for the gigantic lie of an inherently evil government that claims it can provide complete security at the small cost of our liberty and prosperity.
We are at a turning point with this leftist, authoritarian President. If we allow this government to gobble up our economy, our freedoms will not be far behind. This President is not tyrannizing us. He is creating the structure and the framework for tyranny to thrive and become imbedded permanently in our government. His goal is not to control us, only to make it possible for men like him to control us in the future. He focuses on the middle class and not the “poor”, because he knows that if he can get the middle class to become as dependant on government largess as the poor have become, with over half a century and generations on welfare and government assistance, he can create enough votes from beneficiaries who will scream if anyone proposes taking away their goodies.
Not only must they be stopped, the federal budget needs to be junked, entitlements eliminated, and this government returned to its Constitutional chains. Either this will happen, or the government will become so powerful (a modern police state), that revolution will become impossible. Idiots like stoneman are cheering this on as if it were some good. It doesn’t even matter to them that they cannot explain it, or even contemplate the cost. They are so convinced that all good things flow from the government, and they hold their neighbors in such contempt that it is not even worth discussing it with them.
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stoneman
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Now I'm getting US History lessons from a Candian-- -- I've done studied and learned all that and more some 30 plus years ago sweety .-- --and who said I was "peace loving"-- --or I needed free healthcare----I just wanted to learn how to play hockey--
Jagerknothead --can you please tell me the story of Ol'General George at Valley Forge in the Winter of 1776 again , it brings back memories of my 8th grade American History Class--
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Ozark
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stoneman said: Now I'm getting US History lessons from a Candian--
guddam Candians - giving all those sweets to our kids and rotting their teeth. It ain't right.
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stoneman
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Well wrapping this up and since we wandered so far off the post subject I'll end my plea for better America by the following . I think both Democrats and Republicains put their parties before the good of the country . They serve themselves not the need and the will of the American People. Mentioned above in my posts and others was two of our founding fathers George Washington,John Adams along with Thomas Jefferson warned of political parties becoming too powerful and running the country according to their own agenda . The federal goverment is too large and powerful , the average goverment worker salary is $7,000 more then in the private industry. Too many millionares and lawyers are holding goverment offices and ruining the country . Most if not all have no idea of what the average Joe American wants or needs to make his life the "American Dream" ---God Bless America ! Good Evening and Good Night Stoneman
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Even a blind pig find an occasional acorn.
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Ozark
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Well wrapping this up and since we wandered so far off the post subject I'll end my plea for better America by the following . I think both Democrats and Republicains put their parties before the good of the country . They serve themselves not the need and the will of the American People. Mentioned above in my posts and others was two of our founding fathers George Washington,John Adams along with Thomas Jefferson warned of political parties becoming too powerful and running the country according to their own agenda . The federal goverment is too large and powerful , the average goverment worker salary is $7,000 more then in the private industry. Too many millionares and lawyers are holding goverment offices and ruining the country . Most if not all have no idea of what the average Joe American wants or needs to make his life the "American Dream" ---God Bless America !
Good Evening and Good Night
Stoneman
Naw, that ain't right. I smell a rat with that "stoneman" post.
Good grammar, only a couple of small misspellings I can see, everything it says is true, and NO STUPIDITY.
That ain't stoneman - he's been kidnapped by someone with good sense!
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stoneman
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That's the thing about the internet ; no one seems like they are .
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sptsman
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You mean you're not an idiot?
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Jaeger
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No, look at the language he uses. This is exactly how leftists fool simpletons into voting for them.
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I think both Democrats and Republicains put their parties before the good of the country . They serve themselves not the need and the will of the American People.
They’re all bad, meaning you acknowledge that Democrats are even more rotten than the Republicans. But, you can’t criticize your team, so you’ll criticize ‘em all. They serve themselves (duh) and not the American people?
Tell us stoneman, what are the “NEEDS” of the American people, and how do you think government can provide for these NEEDS? Do you NEED free food? Free Housing? Free medical care? Free transportation? Free communications equipment (free TVs and free phones)? Free conjugal visits? Free recreational drugs? Tell us, really. I’m dying to hear about all your NEEDS, and how our government is going to provide them for you "free".
Government is broken alright, but it is broken because it is no longer limited, and there are too many people, like you, who do not even understand the definition of what constitutes a “right”. The difference between a right, a “NEED”, and your wants. Basically all your wants become needs and rights because you think you’re owed something. It doesn't matter if it is the service and time of a doctor, or the medicine that a pharmaceutical company makes, or the cow that a farmer raises. You seem to honestly believe that you are entitled to what these people make, create, and the service they perform without paying them for it. Essentially you believe that everyone is your slave, and since we would just kill you if you tried to enslave us, you vote for a tyrannical government who enslaves us for you, and uses naked force to keep us in line.
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The federal goverment is too large and powerful , the average goverment worker salary is $7,000 more then in the private industry.
And yet, as you criticize Republicans and the Bush administration for spending too much money, you support those who cried that he didn’t spend enough, and now that they are in power they make him look like Scrooge McDuck! You almost have common sense, but then you throw it away and vote for people whose core beliefs are the polar opposite of what you claim yours to be.
Your American dream is a nightmare of slavery to a government that provides for all your “NEEDS”. My dream is a government that never even touches me unless it is to protect my very life, my very liberty, and to protect my ability to PURSUE my happiness (NOT attain it). Any step over those simple and ordained words is an infringement of my rights, and a tyranny. We are living under a tyranny, and we must free ourselves.
The Republicans are clearly not the answer, but in the face of committed authoritarians on the left, whose sole purpose in life is to increase our bondage, and force us all to accept their vision of what constitutes happiness, they are the best bet. Hold your nose if you have to, and defeat Republicans who aren’t conservatives in the primaries, but voting for leftists who believe, like stoneman, that government’s role is to provide for all our NEEDS, is a certain path to serfdom.
We became the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the history of the Earth because a few geniuses devised a philosophy of government based on liberty and a government with limited powers that only protected, NEVER GRANTED, our basic rights. We are slouching toward decline and poverty because of people like you, who scorn our history as parochial, have no concept of American Civics, and cannot even define what a right is, or where it comes from.
Here’s a quick lesson that you can use as a rule of thumb.
The difference between a “want” and a “need” is pure opinion, and based in absolutely nothing. Even saying you are going to live or die with or without it is still mere opinion. This is the rhetorical refuge of all authoritarians who are for enslaving people (with the best of intentions dontchaknow).
What is a “right”? Does it come from God? Did it exist before government? Does it exist without any government at all?
If the answer to these three questions is all “Yes”- it is a right If the answer to any of them is “No”- it is not a right but rather a want or a need (same thing)
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stoneman
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:--well I know your secert plan too Jaeger---your going to make me spray so much beer thru my nose from laughing at you, that I'll drown,---its worst then water boarding------
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Jaeger
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If I had a secert (sic) plan it would be secret.
I envy you. If being exposed as a blithering idiot makes you laugh, you must be in a perpetual state of glee. People do drugs to feel that way. It's just how you are.
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Bubba
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Stonedman , now is a good time for you to stop trying to crawfish and just step away from the computer...really.
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