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last_stand said:
As to MVP, I would say the jury is still out between the two.

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The jury has to make a call now. It was based on the first 45 games of the season. So, make a pick.

griffin, +/- may be the single most telling stat but it certainly has its flaws as well. There are plenty of great players that are asked to be on "checking lines" that play against the opposition's top lines game after game. It is not as prevalent as it used to be but there are still plenty of players tasked with shutting down top lines (Patey, Zuke, Dunlop, Crombeen, etc...). Those guys will never have great +/- stats because they rarely are on the ice when their team scores and it is considered a successful night when you hold an all-star opponent to just one or two points. Backes has actually been doing some of this work recently and he only +5. Not bad but you'd think he would be +10 or better, as much as he scores. But his +5 is understandable...

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