griffin
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A Wednesday in the prime of Missouri duck season, 604 hunters were ALLOWED to hunt on 18 intensely managed Duck Parks. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it 300 parties.........don't make me count the acreage......because I will....and you dumbforks who don't want the areas opened will be looking for a chair and a piece of rope. 
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hardhuntr
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Give me the bird per man average that day.
I wanna know how I did against that average. 
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H2ODOG
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You fogot that those LUCKY few got to hunt 600,000+ ducks.
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H2ODOG
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1.30 Shawn. Howdya do? 
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hardhuntr
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1.3 was it?
I did all I could to bring it up then. 
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H2ODOG
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Shawn, you can lead a horse to water but ya can't make him drink. With everything MDC does to get you a great chance to kill a duck people still fuk it up. Robo users kill about 70% of the ducks on the areas, so imagine the kill average without that crutch.
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H2ODOG
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And another damn thing........I'm all for giving people the day off from Christmas to be with their family, but closing down the CA's and not being able to hunt is BS. Either
1.open up the areas,
2. close Statewide on X-mas like they do in other states and add a day to the end of the season.
3.Stay the hell open and give us our fukin 60 day season to hunt.
Once again Massive Duck Control takes away a day at the Fun Park.
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hardhuntr
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Trust me, I know all about the screwups.
Pulled up to one area late in the morning. One party was leaving at 9 am. They shot 0. And were leaving at 9!! We ended up hunting for 2 hours that day,,some days it goes by too quick.
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Quote:
griffin said:
....and you dumbforks who don't want the areas opened will be looking for a chair and a piece of rope.
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lying_in_wait
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Thats nuthin Shawn, Dad and I pulled up to AN OPEN AREA just at daybreak one morning. There were already a couple of guys there standing by their truck with their waders on. As we pulled in one guy approached our truck and told us that they had gone to a draw area and had gotten turned away. They rushed over to this spot and had bumbled around in the dark for an hour. The guy said, and I quote "There ain't a drop of water on this place, guess we're going home." I could hardly hear him for the drone of screaming ducks in the background. We wished them better luck next time and told them that we were leaving too. I tried not to smile too much as we poared a cup of coffee and watched them drive off. A mere 150 yards accross a cut bean field, obscured from direct view by some tall Jap millitt lay 50 acres of fantastic moist soil that was holding about 5000 mallards. We waited a while, walked in with a bag of decoys and a call, and walked out 20 minutes later with 8 greenheads. Went back the next day and did it again. The funny thing is Dad and I had been denied at the same draw as those poor clowns, but we went and had a nice civilized breakfast while they was wandering around in the dark. Sumpin tells me they are still wandering around in the dark
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griffin
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Welp.....I was bored....so I counted up the acreage on the 18 managed Waterfowl Ca's in the state....my head started hurting so I didn't look long or hard enough to find infor for Fellows Lake, Settle's Ford, or Little River. I've seen Settle's Ford and Little River in person but I'm not sure how much ground they have....Little River is fairly.....well.....little. Settle's Ford has quite a bit of ground, I have no idea about Fellow's lake. It doesn't really matter....not many people hunted these areas on Dec. 20th so I'm more then happy to just leave them off the total acreage.....call them a bonus if you want.
Anyway.....the remaining 15 areas contain 81,123 acres. Here.....let me spell that out.....EIGHTY ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THREE ACRES!!!!!
On Dec. 20....a day in the prime of Missouri dcuk season, and a day typical of most days during the season on Monday - Friday.....604 people were ALLOWED to hunt that ground. I'm giving a HUGE benefit of the doubt when I call it 300 parties.....but I like round numbers and it really doesn't make any difference because whether it's 200 or 300 parties it's still goddamn rediculous.
At 300 parties that leaves 270 acres PER PARTY of publicly managed waterfowl ground in Missouri hunted on that day.
Does anyone here have any idea how many parties can safely hunt on TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY ACRES???? Hell, I know private clubs that have 3 blinds every 40 acres....that's TWENTY ONE parties in the 270 acres that Mostly Duck Control hunts one party.
Yeah....I know this is over simplified....and I realize that some of the ground is refuge....WAY TOO MUCH OF IT!!!
Given Mostly Duck Controls self-imposed rule of 200 yards between parties.....does someone with even more time to waste then I do have any idea how many 200 yard "zones" you can have on 81,000 forking acres??????
Yeah.....it's overly simple.....but the fact is....no one is ever going to convince me that the State's Duck Park's will be overcrowded by opening them up....afterall....we hunt 300 parties on EIGHTY ONE THOUSAND ACRES!!!!!
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swampy
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405 parties in their own 200 acre lot
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swampy
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why is it every morning they tell you they manage for one party per 40 acres
Griffin your naysayers are going to come back and tell you that they allow hunting only on the areas with water and not refuges so you must cut your overall number by at least 50%
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griffin
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Quote:
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Griffin your naysayers are going to come back and tell you that they allow hunting only on the areas with water and not refuges so you must cut your overall number by at least 50%
Well......OK.....then each party had 135 acres.
And how come they "manage for each party to have 40 acres" and then allow hunting within 200 yards on the rest of their controlled duck huntign area.....which, by the forking way, INCLUDES A HUGE SEGMENT OF A GODDAMN OPEN RIVER!!!!! Well.......open to anything and anyone except duck hunters.....gotta control those ducks and duck hutners you know.
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swampy
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we need more minorities in waterfowling to get the backing of some special interest groups and complain about discrimination
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moduckdoc
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Dude I have stayed out of all of this and I will I just had to tell you about an error in your mathematical prowess. You need to subtract total area available by another 50% for parking areas.
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swampy
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and an insane ammount of levees.
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griffin
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I forgot about the parking lots and levees......so each party only had 4 acres to hunt......no wonder we need a draw.
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moduckdoc
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Now go to the alter of the great MDC and beg for forgiveness.
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griffin
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I'm a Druid, can't beg at other alters....against the rules.
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H2ODOG
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Dude I ain't one to hate on a brutha's parade especially when its for a good damn cause  , but you can't factor in all the acreage on the CA's into duck stuff. Eagle Bluffs has 4000+ acres of land but only about 1400 acres of wetland and I'm not sure if their 600+ acres of crops is the part that gets flooded.
The good thing is that out of 4000+ acres they do have 110 ACRES of levees and roads.......or just shy of 1/4 of a square mile.
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griffin
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Fine....1 out of 3 parties stand on each others shoulders and hunt 1/5th of an acre....happy now?
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H2ODOG
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No...I want mass confusion, fist fights, slashed tires, broken headlights, no ducks, and plenty of OOS on my CA's. I won't be happy until duck hunting in this state is horrible.
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halfasmuch
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I was punished by the draw system in the worst way this week/ one day, I almost hit a hen with a decoy she wanted to comeback to the spot that we had so rudely kicked her and 2000 of her friends out of .... went back and had a middle number.. hmm pick a field I havent hunted? okay...
pick a or b... picked a because it had a good day the day before (on a different wind oops !) and watched the other field kill one maybe two limits a piece ..as they left at noon and came back for another round .... while I waited for the afternoon shoot that never came...
oh well...
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hardhuntr
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I must say, to add to this debate, it rained on the west side on 12-20-2006.
So, that added some water acreage to your equation.
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