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Just for Ozark
      #119382 - 10/07/07 11:46 AM

"The ultimate Democrat constituent would be a public schoolteacher on welfare who needed an abortion and was suing her doctor."


IS THERE A TRIAL LAWYER IN THE HOUSE? By Ann Coulter
Wed Sep 19, 7:58 PM ET



The only "crisis" in health care in this country is that doctors are paid too little. (Also they've come up with nothing to help that poor Dennis Kucinich.)

But the Democratic Party treats doctors like they're Klan members. They wail about how much doctors are paid and celebrate the trial lawyers who do absolutely nothing to make society better, but swoop in and steal from the most valuable members of society.

Maybe doctors could get the Democrats to like them if they started suing their patients.

It's only a matter of time before the best and brightest students forget about medical school and go to law school instead. How long can a society based on suing the productive last?

You can make 30 times as much money as doctors by becoming a trial lawyer suing doctors. You need no skills, no superior board scores, no decade of training and no sleepless residency. But you must have the morals of a drug dealer. (And the bank wire transfer number to the Democratic National Committee.)

The editors of The New York Times have been engaging in a spirited debate with their readers over whether doctors are wildly overpaid or just hugely overpaid. The results of this debate are available on TimeSelect, for just $49.95.

"Many health care economists," the Times editorialized, say the partisan wrangling over health care masks a bigger problem: "the relatively high salaries paid to American doctors."

Citing the Rand Corp., the Times noted that doctors in the U.S. "earn two to three times as much as they do in other industrialized countries." American doctors earn about $200,000 to $300,000 a year, while European doctors make $60,000 to $120,000. Why, that's barely enough for Muslim doctors in Britain to buy plastic explosives to blow up airplanes!

How much does Pinch Sulzberger make for driving The New York Times stock to an all-time low? Probably a lot more than your podiatrist.

In college, my roommate was in the chemistry lab Friday and Saturday nights while I was dancing on tables at the Chapter House. A few years later, she was working 20-hour days as a resident at Mount Sinai doing liver transplants while I was frequenting popular Upper East Side drinking establishments. She was going to Johns Hopkins for yet more medical training while I was skiing and following the Grateful Dead. Now she vacations in places like Rwanda and Darfur with Doctors Without Borders while I'm going to Paris.

Has anyone else noticed the nonexistence of a charitable organization known as "Lawyers Without Borders"?

She makes $380 for an emergency appendectomy, or one-ten-thousandth of what John Edwards made suing doctors like her, and one-fourth of what John Edwards' hairdresser makes for a single shag cut.

Edwards made $30 million bringing nonsense lawsuits based on junk science against doctors. To defend themselves from parasites like Edwards, doctors now pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical malpractice insurance every year.

But as the Times would note, doctors in Burkina Faso only get $25 and one goat per year.

As long as we're studying the health care systems of various socialist countries, are we allowed to notice that doctors in these other countries aren't constantly being sued by bottom-feeding trial lawyers stealing one-third of the income of people performing useful work like saving lives?

But the Democrats (and Fred Thompson) refuse to enact tort reform legislation to rein in these charlatans. After teachers and welfare recipients, the Democrats' most prized constituency is trial lawyers. The ultimate Democrat constituent would be a public schoolteacher on welfare who needed an abortion and was suing her doctor.

Doctors graduate at the top of their classes at college and then spend nearly a decade in grueling work at medical schools. Most doctors don't make a dime until they're in their early 30s, just in time to start paying off their six-figure student loans by saving people's lives. They have 10 times the IQ of trial lawyers and 1,000 times the character.

Yeah, let's go after those guys. On to nuns next!

But Times' readers responded to the editorial about doctors being overpaid with a slew of indignant letters -- not at the Times for making such an idiotic argument, but at doctors who earn an average of $200,000 per year. Letter writers praised the free medical care in places like Spain. ("Nightmare" in the Ann Coulter dictionary is defined as "having a medical emergency in Spain.")

One letter-writer proposed helping doctors by having the government take over another aspect of the economy -- the cost of medical education:

"If we are to restructure the system by which we pay doctors to match Europe, which seems prudent as well as inevitable, we must also finance education as Europeans do, by using state dollars to finance the full or majority cost of higher education, including professional school."

And then to reduce the cost of medical school, the government could finance "the full or majority cost" of construction costs of medical schools, and "the full or majority cost" of the trucks that bring the cement to the construction site and the "the full or majority cost" of coffee that the truck drivers drink while hauling the cement and ... it makes my head hurt.

I may have to see a doctor about this. I should probably get on the waiting list now in case Hillary gets elected.

That's how liberals think: To fix an industry bedeviled by government controls, we'll spread the coercion to yet more industries!

The only sane letter on the matter, I'm happy to report, came from the charming town of New Canaan, Conn., which means that I am not the only normal person who still reads the Times. Ray Groves wrote:

"Last week, I had the annual checkup for my 2000 Taurus. I paid $95 per hour for much needed body work. Next month, when I have my own annual physical, I expect and hope to pay a much higher rate to my primary care internist, who has spent a significant portion of his life training to achieve his position of responsibility."

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A government survey has shown that 91% of illegal immigrants come to this country so that they can see their own doctor.


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Re: Just for Ozark [Re: Hellbender]
      #119400 - 10/07/07 01:16 PM

Gee, I feel special - and I like Ann.

I dunno - son-in-law Doctor makes about $365,000 a year. He spent 16 years in school and training to get to that point, much of which time was absolute hell. Also, he started his career with over $200,000 in student loans to repay.

Every year, daughter and son-in-law pay over a hundred grand in federal and state income taxes - more money than I even make now. Because of all the schooling, he didn't start making good money until his mid-30's - so he won't have too many earning years. No, I don't think he's particularly overpaid.

Anyway, son-in-law says it's the hospitals, medical corporations, and HMO's who are really cutting a fat hog in the ass. He'd make a lot more money if he was a top executive in one of those. And even there, the bulk of the money isn't going to employees - it's going to owners/investors.

I was thinking about something - and you can go ahead and call me a communist if you want:

Isn't basic health protection really like protection against fires and crimes? Anyone in this country can call the fire department or the police department if they need help - for no extra charge. We're all taxed to pay for that.

If I pay those taxes all my life and my house never catches fire, did I get gypped? No - because the protection was there anytime I might have needed it.

It seems to me that basic health care is the same thing. I can't afford to hire full-time private guards and a fire truck to stay on my property in case they're needed. Fortunately, our society has developed a workable, affordable system for that - and well-trained professional firefighters and policemen with all the necessary equipment are available to me 24/7.

I think basic medical care could be handled the same way. As it is now, I could afford to have a broken leg fixed. I couldn't afford to fight cancer, heart trouble, or many other ailments. Only very rich people could afford that - and we just can't have a system where rich people get care and working people can't. As a stopgap, our society is more or less handling that inequity right now with insurance and welfare. That could be done a lot better.

I think basic medical care is in a primitive stage now - like in the 1860's when private firefighting companies would negotiate with a homeowner in front of his burning house, until they agreed on the price he would pay to have the fire put out.

I know - government tends to screw up what it touches, and health care is much more complex than firefighting and police protection. Still, I think it's encouraging to think that we've already done this (protecting people against things they can't protect themselves against) with our successful system of fire and police departments.

Surely we could use that as a model, take the fraud and profiteering out, give good salaries to every medical professional, and provide basic health care to everyone.


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Re: Just for Ozark [Re: Ozark]
      #119404 - 10/07/07 01:39 PM

I don't care what you do, in a free society, you can't make too much and anyone who says you are making too much is a damn commie.

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Re: Just for Ozark [Re: Ozark]
      #119408 - 10/07/07 02:28 PM

Aww but I remember your post using your SIL as an example of high priced doctors, the 2 mil house, the 10K bonus, etc.
I don't want my doctor to wonder if he would have been better off selling real estate than listening to my heart.


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Isn't basic health protection really like protection against fires and crimes? Anyone in this country can call the fire department or the police department if they need help - for no extra charge. We're all taxed to pay for that.




But thats paid for in a different form. The uniforms, cars, communications, hoses, trucks, etc don't change if they come to my aid. If they are caught short on personnel, my house might burn, my burglary might not be investigated immediately, but I don't bleed to death.
The police don't guarantee many any relief from crime, they basically make the bad guys pay as a deterrent. The fire department doesn't prevent my house from burning down, they primarily try to save people and prevent the spread. Both very important, but I want my medical team to save my life, not cuss the disease or bury me. I don't think anyone has been able to show a socialist plan that works better than ours, even though they benefit from our research and development.

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Re: Just for Ozark [Re: Hellbender]
      #119416 - 10/07/07 03:49 PM

"they primarily try to save people and prevent the spread."--HB

not if it's the forest service, if they came to save your house, they'd backburn all your neighbor's houses as yours went up in smoke and wait for the contractors to come in to start rebuilding and pat themselves on the back for all the new growth.


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Re: Just for Ozark [Re: Liberty]
      #119417 - 10/07/07 03:52 PM

what are you two morons arguing about, it seems to me you both don't disagree that our healthcare system is best left as it is and not to be tampered with by the government. Fraud ought to be stopped, but not through an entirely new system, only a jackass would see individual crimes as a reason to promote a universal system.

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