Ok fish, and Swamp Fox, and the rest of the "soil temp" crew......every resource I can find shows trhat the soil temp right now over all of Missouri is over 70 degrees.

Swamp Fox - your "when the dark green and llime green line passes over us" is about as WRONG as it can be.....that damn line is now somewhere over Greenland.

I was in some woods yesterday near my house that look like they are VERY close.....may apples just starting to pop up.....and I was in some woods in Central Missouri today that had NOT ONE BIT of greenery coming up anywhere....looked like December in there.

Overall....this forum has been piss poor for information....I'm gonna go look to see who moderates this forum and ban their ass.

griffin