what do you know of fires being from illinois newbie? Damn, you jackasses do nothing but elect jackasses.

by the way, HB, did you ever figure out how the elk ran off the beavers?

you may want to look into woody debris or the lack thereof due to the two largest herds of elk being on the north and south areas of Yellowstone and the many, many years that the herds have been fed by locals and they didn't experience natural death rates in winter, plus until the mid 90s they didn't have wolves eating them, thereby they changed the landscape, eating a lot of the food that would have otherwise been available for the deer. I didn't write the point, but apparently there's a lot of information out there about the subject that the elk herds did drive out a lot of other wildlife.

but I am not arguing this point with you, I find it to be off point. You only wish to redirect to this point because you know your defense of the status quo in forest management is a losing argument