I am still trying to figure out who on here you are trying to argue with that favors government involvement. Where is this ghost that you see that no one else sees?

Please explain how it is you can argue something that has not been advocated here, and how is it again that you would expand a government failure such as medicare and call yourself a conservative, or better yet, how is expanding a known failure better than the thing everyone here is firmly against, a new bureaucracy that will prove itself a failure overnight?

Again, who the hell are you arguing with, who are the knotheads who are trumpeting the greatness of government?