Stonehead - I only asked because I've never owned a pidgeon or a bumper launcher.....and I didn't own an e-collar until she was 8 month sold and already knew what I wanted.

Admittedly, I don't know crap about training dogs......but spending a hour a day with mine, and never missing a day, has worked out pretty good so far.....and it's cheaper then pidgeons.

If you've got $120.00 to spend you'll get alot more mileage spending it one some good training books and DVD's....just saying.

griffin