OYD--those are "used" prices I'm willing to pay --except the pigeons . I already checked "new" prices at Cabela's last weekend. $99.00 for launcher ,$139.00 for the training collar with the features I wanted . I didn't know there was a pigeon shortage or price them lately , but use to catch/trap all the pigeons I needed for training and always had plenty in bird pen for that . GB I already had one of those cheap Labs that I got for free , he trained well but didn't have any manners (sorta like the Marley & Me Lab). This time I got a Register AKC Lab with both parents on site and both good hunters with championship titles. Also I do Acorn hunt , right before bow season --

Griffin I too spend at least an hour a day with my new puppy , not a lot of serious training yet but a lot of "Show Pup" training . I bought a DVD recommended by an Cabela's employee "Training the Upland Retriever" by George Hickox , $38.00 , it wasn't really what I was looking for but may return it and get "The 10 Minute Retriever" instead . In the DVD George recommends getting the dog interested in birds before any other training , so thought I'd better get some pigeons . Going to library and Blockbusters today to check out and rent other training DVD's and books and check them out before buying any other training DVD's or books.