Hellbender
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thinning the forest will have a dramatic effect on the kind of fires that lightning starts,
Yup, I think thats what lightening does. 
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Liberty
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don't make me come back to Missouri and kick yer ass old man 
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griffin
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It was a lightening fire, in a very thin forest, that caused the demise of the dinosaurs.
griffin
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Liberty
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everybody knows that the last generation of dinosaurs were all gay and that's what caused their demise
lightning fire, please, man what you smokin'
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griffin
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It was a very thin dinosaur, in a forest fire, that caused the demise of lightening.
griffin
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Liberty
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Man, everybody knows lightning went on strike when it found out the flaming thin dinosaurs in the forest were all gay
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griffin
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It was a very thin lightening strike, on a dinosaur, that caused the demise of the forest.
griffin
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Liberty
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demise caused the forest to strike dinosaur lightning thin
get it straight
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duko™
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can one of you administrators please get liberty a fire marshal Bill avatar?
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Paul Dallas
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Smokey the bear, with a tear in his eye.
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Liberty
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yeah gay dinosaurs was a sad deal all the way around
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Liberty
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" most "forest" fires, aren't trees burning, but brush "--HB
that's where you are wrong, and now we get back to the fires are burning hotter now, because they are burning the thousand hour fuels, too, but I am not going to explain it to you and duko again, the two of you geniuses with your forestry degrees who reside in friggin' Missouri not even affected by the smoke from the fires
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hillbilly
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Thousand hour fuels are going because fire has been withheld from the system. Let it burn and get back to a more natural state. Man will never clear out enough fuel that would offset the damage from him being there to begin with. Over stocked forests are all part of survival of the fittest. We should be logging where it is commercially and ecologically sound. However, I'm sure you would enjoy your back country hikes much more with a house on every forty.
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Liberty
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there's a serious flaw to the argument that says do nothing, it's the same flaw that leads to the argument that man is the reason for the destruction of the planet and that is the absence of the fact that man is an integral part of the environment. Name another species of mammal as widely spread throughout the globe as man, now how can you formulate an argument that extracts man from the very environment in which he lives?
"Thousand hour fuels are going because fire has been withheld from the system."--Hillbilly
that has been a regular thesis in that we fought fires and suppressed them too quickly and moving on from that one of the consequences, as well as the lack of lumber extraction from the forests, was that our forests now have six to ten times more trees per acre than they did historically, removing these fuels actually gets the forests back to where they were historically.
I haven't called for a house on every forty. Though public ownership of the forests has proven to be woefully inadequate, to assume that private ownership is somehow flawed assumes that the very people who formulated the policies that created public ownership of large tracts of lands would all be given to immediately bulldozing the lands for a profit and that is simply not true. Not to mention the economic feasibility roadblocks that the very terrain creates in most of these lands, let's face it, if these lands were developable, don't you think the vast resources available to the so called Robber Barons of the 19th century when there was lackluster government regulation, that those lands would have been developed?
You can't extract man from his environment and the entire globe is his environment. Therefore any solution must consider mankind. And man can thin the forests and create a healthier situation. Will there be unintended consequences, sure there will, but there always are with any decision that is made and leaving them alone in my estimation has greater unintended consequences, plus it disregards the fact that man will not leave it alone, there will be some attempt to manage them, why not manage them correctly?
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Hellbender
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Name another species of mammal as widely spread throughout the globe as man,
Rodents.
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Liberty said:
Name another species of mammal as widely spread throughout the globe as man
Lizards
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Liberty
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HB,
rodents are an order of mammals, not a species
Griffin,
lay off the smack in the morning
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Hellbender
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Mice!
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Hellbender
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the two of you geniuses with your forestry degrees who reside in friggin' Missouri not even affected by the smoke from the fires
You can't chit me Lib, I know where you're at and that ain't wood smoke.
You move to the left coast and 10 minutes later you're liberal with all the answers.
There's know way you can start a massive cutting of timber without biologist, cruisers, scalers, and a ton of support people, all with there own green vehicle.
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Liberty
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chit I could go out tomorrow and take out some serious forest long before anyone would know what happened
you call me liberal again dementia boy and I'm going to have you placed in a home
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Mel
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Potential arsonist at loose on the West Coast. 
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Liberty
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I was actually thinking of using a chainsaw, but good catch Mel, one day you can be a full fledged sheriff's department junior sheriff with a tin badge and certificate of authenticity
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Hellbender
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you call me liberal again dementia boy and I'm going to have you placed in a home
Increase the size of the gubment=Liberal.
If the shoe fits............................... 
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duko™
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Liberty
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increase the size of government by telling them to get the hell out of the way--yeah that makes sense, HB, you're brilliant, now a conservative like me supposedly grows the government by getting them the hell out of the way, with logic like that, I'm sure you've gone far in life.
you and duko need to give each other reach arounds to celebrate your combined intellectual juggernaut status
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