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I'll tell you what, you share with us your bullchit plan and how it is better than a plan that thins out the excessive fuels in the forest and then I'll entertain any further bullchit dementia based thoughts you might want to share, k old man
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Liberty
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"you see some burnt trees, but mostly you see lots of grass, and healthy trees with some blackened trunks up 4-5 feet."--HB
this is where you are entirely wrong and you are not arguing with someone who doesn't know, you are arguing with someone who does know exactly how damn pathetically wrong you are.
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Liberty
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but then again of the two of us I supply supporting materials and you keep talking out yer ass, like the liberal, tree hugging jackass you are 
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Liberty
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just like a damn Democrat when asked to share his plan, he ain't got one all he can do is take pot shots at the plan presented to him by a conservative.
Damn liberal, course should have known he was a liberal with a name like Hellbender, some damn ugly ass worthless salamander that can't adapt that we are for some reason supposed to care about
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Hellbender
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Sorry for the delay in getting back to you Lib, but I couldn't see the keyboard, I was laughing so hard.
I have to bring this one up, its a scream and I think everyone can see the bullchit in this statement.
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* In Yellowstone, elk have almost entirely driven out deer, bighorn and pronghorn sheep, and even beaver populations, or pushed them into poorer habitats, leaving them prey to disease and boom-and-bust population cycles.
The Elk are running off the Beavers, the Bighorn????
Of course we should go back and and knock down some fuel in areas, they do that now with controlled burns, something even you've probably heard of. But only a moron would suggest that we should cut it it all before it burns and then sell the land. If my kids want to hunt Elk like I did, I want them to have the opportunity without paying some someone a small fortune.
Its our land, they ain't making anymore, we need to keep it. Only a liberal like you would suggest selling it and giving the money to congress to blow.
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Liberty
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if you wanted your kid to hunt elk like you did, then maybe you shouldn't have gone all beardedclam and moved east
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what was your plan again?
Oh yeah that's right you don't have one, what a fukking dumbass
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Liberty
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"I want them to have the opportunity without paying some someone a small fortune."--HB
In case you haven't noticed idiot, you are paying someone a small fortune every damn year for your so-called ownership of the land, and guess what jackass and another $25.7 billion to fight the fires each year, but lets keep pissing away taxes
damn what a fukking liberal
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Liberty
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"Sorry for the delay in getting back to you Lib, but I couldn't see the keyboard, I was laughing so hard.
I have to bring this one up, its a scream and I think everyone can see the bullchit in this statement.
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* In Yellowstone, elk have almost entirely driven out deer, bighorn and pronghorn sheep, and even beaver populations, or pushed them into poorer habitats, leaving them prey to disease and boom-and-bust population cycles.
The Elk are running off the Beavers, the Bighorn????
Of course we should go back and and knock down some fuel in areas, they do that now with controlled burns, something even you've probably heard of. But only a moron would suggest that we should cut it it all before it burns and then sell the land. If my kids want to hunt Elk like I did, I want them to have the opportunity without paying some someone a small fortune.
Its our land, they ain't making anymore, we need to keep it. Only a liberal like you would suggest selling it and giving the money to congress to blow. "---HB
I supply volumes and volumes of reasons and all he can argue with is some minor statement someone made about elk and now I'm a liberal because I want to sell federal land
whatever drugs they are pumping into you at the old farts home must be some good chit
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Liberty
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"Its our land, they ain't making anymore, we need to keep it."--HB
where are the buyers going to take the land HB
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Liberty
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"they do that now with controlled burns, something even you've probably heard of."--HB
wasn't it Clinton's Secretary of Interior, Babbit that championed these "controlled" burns?
funny thing is, when a chainsaw gets out of hand it's just one dude's problem, when a "controlled" burn gets out of hand, it becomes an entire forest's problem and they get out of control quite often, winds being the biotch that they are
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Unfortunately, markets are weak or nonexistent for the small diameter trees removed under this scenario. They can't, for instance, be used for lumber. The new software package helps weigh the economics of thinning in such cases to develop the most cost-effective approaches.
This is bullchit,the mill in Prineville had a small log mill that could make lumber from trees as small as 8". The problem is how to get some trees out without the skidder tearing up the ground, what to do about roads, the slash, and the list never ends.
People that write or sit in an office somewhere running a computer model have all the answers though.
We can sell it, let them build houses all over it and then we won't have the responsibility of protecting the private property, we could also let people live below sea level where we wouldn't have any financially expensive obligation either.
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Liberty
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are you a slow reader or what
you make two of the most minor points in the history of debate, did I give you too much to read?
"This is bullchit,the mill in Prineville had a small log mill that could make lumber from trees as small as 8". The problem is how to get some trees out without the skidder tearing up the ground, what to do about roads, the slash, and the list never ends."--HB
how long have you had this can't do attitude, why that's the government attitude, we are going to own it and we aren't going to do anything about it. The private market can fix anything, or at least that's what we conservatives think
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Liberty
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you formulated your plan there HB, how long do you need? a year, a decade, a century, an eon? What do you need to formulate your collective genius into something that actually would work?
I know you are slow reader, but come on you've had a couple of months now and all you can do is pick one or two very tiny points and call them bullchit all the while you champion government ownership and management and call me a liberal. In case you weren't aware, your argument to date has been total bullchit. But here I am awaiting your comeback, but alas it turns out you've been talking out yer ass the entire time, you probably need to change yer shorts
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Liberty
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this is going to be painstakingly slow though if you have to research every point I have posted before you can come back with those devestating comebacks you have to date
but I'll wait, it's fun watching somebody do nothing but try to argue falsehoods because they want there to be public ownership of lands. That's all you got, which makes you a liberal in case you hadn't connected the dots.
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Holy crap, Liberty and HB - six pages of this now.
You guys need to change your user names to Lenny and Squiggy.
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Liberty
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hey as long as the dumbass insists on being wrong, I'm going to argue
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Hellbender
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I just want to know how the Elk ran the Beavers and Bighorns out of Yellowstone, but even though Liberty posted it, he won't enlighten us.
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Liberty
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I just want to know what Hellbender's genius plan is, since he's too damn scared to post anything, just like a damn modern day Democrat, HB you need to quit dipping the Viagra stick in Pelosi
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Hellbender
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From page one dumbass, PAGE ONE!!! You catch on as fast as all the other liberals. We've screwed with the national forests for decades, and where have we gotten????
Again from page ONE!
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WHAT!, why do we have to do anything, why can't we just leave them alone and let people enjoy them?
Now the fires are so hot they started fires in Greece!
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Liberty
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your simpleton argument doesn't take into account that we are doing something already, just poorly, care to revise your bullchit statement?
your way is not a solution, your way is just bullchit, stalling for time, ain't got no clue about any of this, you're just arguing to be arguing
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What about those poor Beavers?
I answered you question, its not my fault you can't understand what "leave them alone" means, liberals never do understand let nature do it, for free, thats why they need more taxes, more civil servants, more, more, more.
Now jump in that Honda and run down to Starbucks and get yourself a $6 coffee and think about it.
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Liberty
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hey idiot leave it alone, that means no one goes in at all, so your boy don't get to hunt elk in your simpleton argument of leave it alone
why don't you ask the people who wrote the beaver thing, oh I know you're too stupid to figure that out for yourself.
Leave it alone is not an answer, formulate something with a little more brain power, because leave it alone ain't a solution, it ain't possible with your we've got to keep the forests away from the boogie man who might manage it better than the government, damn liberal
now run down to Walgreens before your scripts lapse
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Hellbender
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so your boy don't get to hunt elk in your simpleton argument of leave it alone
And why would that be?
You're stepping on your own toes Lib.
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Liberty
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leave it alone, you figure it out, you obviously are one of the dumber people I've dealt with
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