Liberty
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next thing you are going to triumph roadless areas and non-motorized uses, and you'll do it while munching on a damn granola bar, leave it alone, what a damn liberal
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Liberty
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go chain yerself to a tree, simpleton liberal
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Liberty
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damn hugger
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Liberty
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no don't cut some trees down that might open up a mill and create jobs and stop the forest fires from burning swaths of destruction larger than most northeastern states, Hellbender you are an idiot
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Ozark
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Greece burns real good - especially bacon Greece.
I used to like Beavers a lot.
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Liberty
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well see if HB will lend you his Viagra scripp and you can get to likin' beavers again
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Ozark
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I get a kick out of those Viagra commercials: "If you have an erection lasting more than four hours, call your doctor".
Hell, if that happened, I'd call everyone I know!
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Hellbender
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I wonder if Animal Planet got some pictures of the Beaver purge? I'll bet it was sight watching those Elk jumping from rock to rock chasing those Bighorns too. 
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Liberty
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I bet it will be great video here in about 10 years when the tallest tree in a national forest is about four and half feet tall, because idiots said do nothing about the build up of fuel, in essence let it burn, let it all burn, nothing like hikes through "forests" you can see over.
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duko™
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why yes, its up to us to control mother nature
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duko™
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and by all means, form a hikers union. You guys could strike and hold picket signs along the edges of overgrown forest, or something
duko
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Liberty
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well duko the reason we have overgrown forests in the first place as you so eloquently pointed out is because we suppressed fires too fast and did clear cutting that allowed in too much sunlight in through the canopy
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Liberty
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this whole notion of let nature take care of nature misses the mark and that's not Liberty saying it, that's most people involved in forests in the west saying it
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Hellbender
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So if we took over forest management in the west in 1803, who did the French replace when they claimed it. Did the Shoshone's have a forest service? The Ute's, Apache's.
Tell us Lib, you surely have another article that will explain it all.
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From the judge in " my cousin vinny " :
What's a yute?
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Liberty
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well if you are so dumb as to think that Indians let the forests alone, which you probably are that dumb, then we don't need to continue this beligerant discussion where you only write something after you've taken 12 shots of tequilla and slapped your viagra stick
but anyone with half a brain knows the forest service began in 1905, the argument of should we intervene in putting out fires was won over by 1908 as large fires occurred in the northeast and raged on into Canada, then the big blowup of 1910 that killed some 80 plus fire fighters and burned up 3 million acres in Idaho and Montana sealed the deal, the forest service decided it was going to fight fires, suppress them as soon as they could.
later on they decided that suppressing the fires has allowed there to be a large build up of fuels, but letting fires thin the forests doesn't work in the situation we have today, because we have ladder fuels, we have large amounts of trees, between 500 and 3,000 trees per acre on land that once only had 50 to 100 trees per acre. What we have is a situation whereby the one and ten hour fuels of the forest floor are burning, but they are catching the smaller trees on fire, which in turn ignite the medium sized trees and then you get your crown fires that take out the larger trees as well.
Now anybody who ever paid attention in class knows that a ground fire doesn't kill a large tree, but when the ground fire makes its way up the forest ladder and becomes a crown fire, I don't care how big the Ponderosa Pine is, the damn thing is dead once the firestorm passes. If you weren't such a belligerent drunken demented old fart who bases all his decisions on chit he saw eight years ago, before the worst of this chit started happening, you might be worth wasting time explaining what the situation is, but since you are a jackass incapable of refuting anything salient in this debate, go fuk yerself jackass
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griffin
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He said salient.
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Liberty
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"and by all means, form a hikers union. You guys could strike and hold picket signs along the edges of overgrown forest, or something"--duko
so fuko you got a problem with hikers, what exactly would that be. enlighten me as to how your stupid ass goes anywhere in the backcountry, and not in Missouri, real backcountry, you know somewhere where you aren't always a mile from the next McDonald's. Keep in mind that the do-nothing jackasses have closed off considerable areas of the backcountry to anything other than your damn feet. So please tell me what your fukking problem is with the activity of hiking other than your probably too damn lazy to get up and get the remote off yer damn TV stand.
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Liberty
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"He said salient."--Griffin
damn Griffin, you're supposed to quit reading after the third word in the first paragraph.
I'm impressed, hell you might learn something
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Ozark
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I'm jealous. No one's ever called ME a "belligerent drunken demented old fart". Help me out, Liberty.
I swear, I've been kinda watching this thread for eight pages now - and I still don't know if Liberty's wanting to burn down the woods or not, or why.
"Salient", huh?
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Liberty
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you belligerant drunken demented old fart
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griffin
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Hiking??? Can we kill something while we hike....or at least when we're done hiking??
Trust me when I say this.....if hiking is what it comes down to in order to enjoy a big ass piece of forest....I'll burn all the sonsofbitches down myself.
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Liberty
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how do you think hunters get into some of these sections of the forest, you know the ones that can't pay for an outfitter to fly them into some ranch and then from the ranch they either hike, or ride a horse
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griffin
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If I can't get a 4-wheeler or horse in there then I don't need to be hunting there....and I damn sure ain't just going for a walk.....so yeah, burn them forkers to the ground....I don't give a rats ass.
Bunch of damn good for nothing salient high ground anyways .....piss on it, burn it down!!! 
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Liberty
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"I swear, I've been kinda watching this thread for eight pages now - and I still don't know if Liberty's wanting to burn down the woods or not, or why."--Ozark
Hellbender is the one that likes to see them burn completely into nothing, I want to allow loggers in to thin these overcrowded forests, Hellbender wants the forests to remain overcrowded tinderboxes that burn away in firestorms.
Hellbender lived in a damn desert when he was out here and he has no damn clue what these fires are doing in the sub-alpine and alpine forests, it ain't sagebrush and juniper trees going up, it's ponderosas, lodgepoles, firs, and whatever else happens to be in the way. And if someone wants to thin out the forest, some liberal ecoterrorist files a damn lawsuit that stops any activity. Hell they even sue to stop people from going in and removing the burned dead trees.
It's an ecological disaster that no one cares about because it is mostly on federal land, which is typical when everybody owns something nobody will take responsibility for it.
I saw paths of destruction from the valley below, all the way up a mountain, then back down the other side, then through the valleys and canyons then up the next mountain, then down the other side 700 square miles of it and it was pretty much contiguous, but we should just let nature take its course, my ass.
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