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the only difference in the America you want Hellbender and the one Hillary wants is the amount of flow we get from suckling the government teat
she wants a flood that we choke on and you want a steady, unending stream that bloats us
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Liberty
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"enjoy the fruits of our democracy"--Helliberal
that's a fundamental problem with your argument, we are a constitutional republic even the damn New York Times knows that
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that's a fundamental problem with your argument, we are a republic
I. E. we don't have a king, we are, to be more specific a Representative democracy.
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We don't need an FDA
We don't need a Department of Education
We don't need a Department of Commerce
We don't need a Department of Agriculture
We don't need a Department of the Interior
We don't need a Department of Housing and Urban Development
We don't need a Department of Homeland Security (we already had one)
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We don't need an FDA
We don't need a Department of Education
We don't need a Department of Commerce
We don't need a Department of Agriculture
We don't need a Department of the Interior
We don't need a Department of Housing and Urban Development
We don't need a Department of Homeland Security (we already had one)
Wrong, we don't them dictating, we need them assisting states in perfecting those endeavors. We need them to be much smaller and more accountable.
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Liberty
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to be more specific dumbass, it's called a constitutional republic
as to the other crap you posted that didn't make any damn sense
we've tried it your way jackass and it is a complete failure
why do the states need various federal departments to assist them?
the states can do a much better job in all of those areas, and the private market can do a better job than the states in all of those areas
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to be more specific dumbass, it's called a constitutional republic
So frigging what, I still think that today Ethanol is the best technology to deprive your buddies in the sand box of our money. When better comes along I'll jump on that.
I'll bet like Ozark you have a big investment in oil, but unlike Ozark, you're not man enough or honest enough to admit it.
$90 dollars and rising sure means Ethanol is getting cheaper and cheaper. 
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Liberty
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I liquidated all my stocks when I left for the Cayman Islands, milled around a bit flush with cash (which I recommend on an island full of hot tourist women who you won't see again), then, bought land in Oregon and put some of that money back into various funds.
I wish I did own Exxon stock, it's a damn fine company, they know their chit
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I don't knock Exxon, in fact they have the system to put Ethanol, or some other alternate fuel into place. We simply have to tell them we want to give our money to Americans, at least as much as we can.
There is more to petroleum than gas, and if the demand drops because of Ethnaol, you can bet your ass the price of a barrel will come crashing down. When that happens we can adjust our mix to keep the Camel Jockeys and Jungle Monkeys on their toes.
You know I'm right.
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no you're not right, we need to nuke the sonsabitches and take the damn oil while wearing friggin' protective suits
it's that simple
everything else is akin to pounding yer pecker sure it feels good but it gets you nowhere
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I see the stock market lost 367 points today, I hope they didn't all take my advice and are headed to the Caymans 
damn media is calling it a crash, it's 367 points in a 14,000 point field, somebody quick run the percentages 2.6 percent loss today
but it's a crash according to the dumbass media
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Speculators are driving crude oil futures up, it's a bubble.
That doesn't change the underlying fact that worldwide demand for oil is rising faster than new reserves. Oil will never be cheap again, but I expect it'll get back to about $65 a barrel instead of $90.
That's OK, I'm in it for the long term. Hellbender's right - we need to use whatever mix of alternate fuels it takes to cut America's dependence on foreign energy sources.
Alternative fuels aren't going to break any oil companies. Oil companies are going to make plenty of money anyway.
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I'm not against alternative fuels, ethanol just ain't the savior, though it can be a part of the solution
I only dislike all the damn subsidy in everything
it's an energy product, that's right behind food and water as necessary, therefore the private market should be left alone to solve it and not have it propped up by government subsidy, you may think that keeps the prices down, but in actuality all it does is hide the true cost because people are too stupid to realize the taxes they pay are being diverted to this chit.
same damn thing with healthcare get the damn government out of the way and the market will fix the damn problem
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I only dislike all the damn subsidy in everything
Rosie make up your mind, the "subsidy" is a non tax, they don't pay the tax that Brazil does.
So, do you or do you not like taxes? 
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every product in this world will be better and cheaper without government involvement
if government weren't sticking its nose into everything, a private market would decide which products were best and not a protectionist government
and I guarantee you that within that system America would far outshine its foreign competitors
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So, do you or do you not like taxes?
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Liberty
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depends on the tax
too much money in Washington only leads to more meddling
they meddle now even though they don't have the money to pay for their meddling
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So you think Ethanol should be taxed?
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Edited by Hellbender (10/20/07 10:15 PM)
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Liberty
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at the point of sale yes
subsidized before that, no
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Hellbender
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The subsidy on Ethanol is the suspension of a wholesale tax on domestic supplies. So maybe you can drop the subsidy crap.
The anti's want to add the cost of production, but they don't deduct the sale of by products. They kind of have your mentality Rosie, pick and choose facts, true or not, that support your argument.
To evaluate Ethanol, you have to look outside the box and compare the total gains with the realistic cost. Until something better shows up, its the most promising.
Even Henry Ford started with Ethanol, and you know why he changed to gas, don't you? 
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Liberty
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I heard he hated sod busters
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Hellbender
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I didn't think you knew, in over your head once again.
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Liberty
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oh please professor hellliberal tell us this scintillating lesson from history that's going to somehow make ethanol a better fuel than gasoline
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Well Rosie it was two fold, and I'll bring you up to speed.
The most important was that Ethanol is corrosive, and Henry didn't have a lot of materials to use in storing and delivering it in the car. We don't have that problem today.
The second is that the domestic oil boom was emerging in the southern plains, that would be Oklahoma and parts of Kansas and Texas Rosie, providing what appeared to be endless supply of crude. The lack of a realistic supply of crude is a problem today.
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Liberty
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yawn
that's incredibly important stuff, the kind of stuff that keeps me on the edge of my seat
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