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............dam they look good.
And once again, one of the top values in the major leagues.
Jay looks to be riding the pine.
More speed than we've seen in a while.
Stronger up the middle.
Pitching staff with problems where to fit all the talent.
That's all great on paper for sure but this team needs to do it on the field.
I look for Milwaukee to be the division sleeper but the Cards should take it fo sho.
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I went to the game in Jupiter Sunday. Bombs hit by Holiday, Adams, and Peralta. That was fun! And Kelly pitched 5 hitless innings. The starting line-up was close to what we'll see opening day, I hope. Jay started in CF and I hope that goes to Bourjos, until he proves he doesn't belong there full time. He's substantially better defensively and has shown he can get on base, when he gets the chance to play. He sort of got Wally Pipp'd, in Anaheim, when Mike Trout came on the scene. Jay is not the answer for any MLB team in CF. If Craig, Adams and Carpenter hit like they have show thay can, this team will score plenty of runs. Holiday and Molina are not a concern, other than staying healthy...
Pitching is always going to be the huge question mark. Some of these young arms have very short track records and need to show they belong and can stay healthy for a whole season. Hopefully, Garcia can get better and have a few good outings ... so they can trade him!!
Cards should win the Division and we should see another playoff year.
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where did you fly in to, sptsman??
went to the bahamas earlier in the month. flew in to punta gorda from springfield. never been to punta gorda before.
good lord, i thought we had landed at a nursing home with an airfield.. 
anyway, there were a crap ton of people flying in with cardinal gear on. i guess it was a popular spot to fly in to and then drive across the state to watch some ball??
then again, maybe old people like to fly to florida with cardinals jerseys on??
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Punta Gorda??
I thought that was a female sex organ.
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where did you fly in to, sptsman??
went to the bahamas earlier in the month. flew in to punta gorda from springfield. never been to punta gorda before.
good lord, i thought we had landed at a nursing home with an airfield..
anyway, there were a crap ton of people flying in with cardinal gear on. i guess it was a popular spot to fly in to and then drive across the state to watch some ball??
then again, maybe old people like to fly to florida with cardinals jerseys on??
I had some bidness in Miami on Tuesday and the wife had her spring break last week (she's a teacher). We flew into Ft. Lauderdale on Saturday and stayed up in Palm Beach Gardens for a few days, then went south, back to Ft. Lauderdale so she could lay on the beach while I went down to Miami (actually Florida City) for some work stuff. We came back Wednesday evening.
I really am not a huge fan of spring training but we were going to be there anyway and I was pretty sure we would see some good ball for 5 or 6 innings anyway. By the 7th, most of the starters were out and the scrubs started coming in...
I had no idea there was even an airport in Punta Gorda. Must be the infamous Allegiant Air. They go to some odd places...
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When was the last time the Cardinals had a short stop with 4 HR's by July 1st nevertheless April 15th?
Not many weak spots in this line up right now.
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Is this just another spurt of wins to be followed by a week of slumping baseball?
Cards have had their moments on both sides all season. All star break is at 96 games and then it's the dog days.....I know we are hangin in there but some troubles remain....Rosie barely squeaking thru the ninth, Matheney's blind faith in him, Garcia out for the year, Craig in a season long slump, Bourjas not up to our hopes, the bench remains pretty weak and Matt Adams can't carry the club all year.
I dunno, too streaky to tell just yet. While we've heated up in August the last few years, I believe they'll have to dig and grind and catch some breaks if they want to get to the post season, where anything can happen.
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This sucks! Molina possibly out for the rest of the season?
Surgery tomorrow?
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/st-lo...b-injury-071014
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We can worry about baseball when the World Cup is over. Or for griffin, when the bike races and hide-n-go-seek championships conclude...
They are only 2 out of first place with a weak performance in the 1st half. Milwaukee will come down to earth and the Pirates are showing they are no better than a .500 team. Cincinnati has bigger injury issues than we do. This is not a great team and the injury to Molina is significant but they can still win this Division.
Mo needs to bolster the bench and find a starter that doesn't require giving up the farm. No small tasks to accomplish...
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Cards acquire Justin Masterson from the Indians. I guess this is a rent-a-pitcher deal. He already turned down a big offer from Cleveland. He is 4-6 with a 5.51 ERA and went on the 15 day DL July 8th. Apparently, he hasn't been reactivated from that yet.
They gave up a minor leaguer, James Ramsey. I hope he was a loooong shot to make it to the bigs, because it sure looks like Masterson is a loooong shot to be a huge success for us.
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James Ramsey per PD
Ramsey, 24, was a first-round draft pick (23rd overall) out of Florida State in 2012. Ramsey, a lefthanded hitter, was batting .300 at Springfield with a .389 on-base percentage, .916 OPS, 13 homers and 36 RBIs.
Masterson is on the DL but scheduled to come off the DL on Friday and start Saturday--
his record is pretty ho hum but I guess right now they need someone to throw out there and eat some innings
I'm waiting for the proverbial quote from the Cardinals about this being low hanging fruit or part of keeping the powder dry. 
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From what I heard of Ramsey you hate to lose him. I think a few things that came into play on this was A) his name isn't Tavaras and B) as an outfielder he was going to have a hard time getting up here with all the other guys we have in line trying to stay here.
I hope it works. Heard the same thing you said about how durable a guy Masterson is and though he's off this year he was "on" pretty good LAST year.
I was half relieved to hear it was this deal instead of some of the other potential rumored blockbuster moves involving us tradingg Tavaras or Shelby or both for the overpriced past-their-prime "stars" on the market.
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You maybe right
OF James Ramsey
Age • 24
Preseason organizational rank • 10
Current organizational rank • 6
Current level • Class AA Springfield
2014 stats • 65 games, 236 AB, 71 H, 45 R, 13 HR, 34 RBIs, .301 AVG, .385 OBP, .525 SLG
2013 stats (Three levels) • 112 games, 411 AB, 109 H, 78 R, 16 HR, 51 RBI, .265 AVG, .373 OBP, .440 SLG
The Cardinals were expecting a lot of average and a sprinkling of power when they drafted Ramsey in the first round out of Florida State in 2012. But after tearing up High-A for three weeks, Ramsey pulled a one-eighty at Springfield in 2013. He clubbed 15 home runs, but hit just .251.
This year Ramsey combined the two. He started the season on an power surge, and although mid-season nicks and knacks (shoulder sprain, strained oblique) dulled his summer power, 13 home runs still compliment a .301 average.
A hard-nosed defender (shoulder sprain came from a collision with an outfield wall) with above-average speed, this season has seen Ramsey develop into a complete package.
10 Cards prospects on the way up or on the way out
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They shoulda traded Gorgeous instead of Ramsey..
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And I just read where they sent Craig & Kelly to Boston for Lackey.. WOW!!
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Hate to see Craig go. He is having a down year. The whole team is. You could buy a shotgun from John Mabry........and still couldn't hit Chit with it.
Since he became the top hitting coach, Cardinal average dropped a few points and 20+ points in slugging average. This year the team average is down 20 points and slugging another 30+. Get rid of Mabry and get someone who can help the hitters get out of their funk. He didn't learn much in his playing career. Had less than 1000 hits in 14 years with less than 100 HR's and a career .260 hitter. He had a couple good early years and fell to chit. Its like hiring a McDonald's lettuce washer to run a 5 star restaurant. Cardinals can afford better and deserve better. Our players deserve better.
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If it weren't for the injuries to Wacha and Garcia the Cardinals would not be doing these trades for pitching, they would be doing trades for hitters.
No doubt dog the offense has been waaaay down. Even worse with risp, I bet. But c'mon....20 points down on the friggen hitting coaches back?
Alan Craig has lost his bat speed. He looks like a cork screw at the plate. He's in a season long slump. He's 30 years old. He's got 25 mil left on his contract. Matheney kept putting him out there nite after nite. We have the long awaited Tavaras in place.
Add it all up and it's hard to blame Mo for shipping him out. Me I think Boston is taking a big gamble but they could give two chits about money.
Personally I hate to lose Kelly of the two.
People think Boston won this deal only time will tell but for the here and now Mo had to do something because it's been the same mojo the whole season and the season is about to be determined.
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Craig is likely done, damaged goods. Look at other players with feet problems and how their numbers plummet, if they can't get back to 100%. Even the great Albert struggled when his feet weren't right. David Freese has feet issues and has never been consistent with the bad wheels. Ryan Howard has been a shell of himself, since he blew out his Achilles. Unloading that contract was brilliant. Mo found one of the few teams that can play around and take a $25 mil gamble on a guy like Craig.
Kelly is a #3 or #4 starter at best. Hated to see him go but he is a small price to pay for John Lackey the rest of this year and all of next year for $500K. Anyone remember him in the playoffs and particularly the WS? If we're trying to make a run, you want this dude. If you're re-tooling, not so much...
Overall, both teams have the chance to benefit from this trade. Short term, I think the Cards are the winners.
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So I stay up last night just to watch Matheney bring in Rosie for the 4th time in five nights only to load the bases and lose the game? I want my hour of sleep back.
We have enough issues as is without over rating and over utilizing our closer, particularly considering his "record" at home. Rosie is good, but he is not "automatic". This was another bad move by Matheney imo. So we remain 1 back.
We are getting down to it. We can't score runs. These games are huge from here on in. If we are going to win with pitching then USE THEM WISELY.
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Here is a stat for you LS...........
Rosenthal has thrown 53 1/3 innings, faced 233 batters and thrown 959 pitches. Maness has 56 1/3 IP, 232 BF, in 151 fewer pitches.
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Here is a stat for you LS...........
Rosenthal has thrown 53 1/3 innings, faced 233 batters and thrown 959 pitches. Maness has 56 1/3 IP, 232 BF, in 151 fewer pitches.
Maness tends to get put in when the situation favors his right arm and often gets taken out when a lefty comes up and a specialist like Choate is used. As a result, he is going to be more efficient with pitches. Once Rosenthal is put in, it is usually for the duration, good or bad. As a result, he's going to be facing far more batters that don't necessarily favor his arm or style. Naturally, it is going to take more pitches to get the job done (or to blow it).
I am still on the Matheny bandwagon but he frustrates me like LaRussa did at times. Stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room and just do what needs to be done. For starters, quit using Rosenthal more than 3 days in a row. It has cost us at least 3 or 4 times this season. Second, quit using Rosenthal when we don't have the lead. Same thing. Put the ego and "he deserves the opportunity" crap aside and make the moves that will win the game. Fork your players feelings and trying to be the "players manager". This is the big leagues and it is about one thing and one thing only, WINNING!!
If Mark Ellis steps up to the plate, there had better be no other option. He has been the biggest bust ever. Eat the contract, let him go and bring up a minor leaguer with a little pop. We have zero pop off the bench.
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Your comments about Manes have some merit but does not explain anywhere near the differential.
The differential is that Rosie, who does lead the league in saves, can't get through an inning without putting people on, particularly at home. Lots of drama.
Last year was lights out.
This year it's dim the lights, lights on, and then, hopefully....lights out.
And as we agree, this is not the M-O to put him out there night after night as if it doesn't matter.
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Bradford out with a knee injury in first quarter . . . . Fisher said to be in tears.
And we coulda had Manziel? Bradford would've never given the effort he gave to get to the end zone in that last TD.
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Paul....this is a baseball thread....say focused. 
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I hear ya Paul. I don't know how they're going to replace Bradford on the mound.
I saw a few shots on the tv of Fisher visibly upset in the dugout just prior to his mound visit to remove Bradford and go to the bullpen...
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I'm gonna go ahead and blame this error of posting on the wrong thread on the heat, the civil unrest, and uh, maybe a few too many Zeke's Pale Ales.
Speaking of beer and as long as we got this thread properly D-railed, Haus, I got a brewing question or 2 for ye.
1) My homegrown hops (Cascade) looked liked they had finished growing, so yesterday I got out the extension ladder and lowered the vines and harvested. Got them drying on a screen out on the screen porch right now. You ever do a wet-hop brew? If I were to do this, what flavor difference could I expect vs. doing a regular dry-hop?
2) Thinking of brewing a batch in the next few days, but unaccustomed as I am to brewing in the summer, my immersion chiller attached to the garden hose will likely not work quite as good as it would in the winter months as the water coming out of the tap is quite warm. However, I'm thinking what if I took the kids old wading pool, filled it up with water, and dropped about 6 or 10 bags of ice in it, then take my boiling hot wort, still in its stainless steel pot, and set it right in this ice water bath. Is this ill advised? Wouldn't it chill the brew down pretty quick?
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I've not ever brewed with wet hops. Might sound gross, but throw one in your mouth and chew on it. That would be the best way to see. I think it would be a bit more subtle than dried, but I don't know for sure.
As for chilling, I boil in a half bbl keg. (Not knowing how big your kettle is, take this with a grain of salt)
When finished, I put in the immersion chiller, and then put the keg in an old wash tub I have. I then let the "waste" water fill the tub and run out. I'm on a well and it will chill boiling wort down to 68-70° in about an hour in the hot assed summer. I don't use any ice.
I'd find something smaller in diameter than the kiddie pool unless you're on a well too. that's a chit load of aqua wasted.
Back when I was doing partial batches on the stove, I'd set my 5 gal pot in the sink w/immersion chiller and an ice bath. How big is your boil kettle?
As for the last question, getting it chilled as fast as possible is the goal. I've got a plate heat exchanger due to arrive from British Columbia any day now. It will chill 10bbl of boiling wort down to 68° in 30 mins using my well water. That will cut down on some time, but it comes with a cost.. All for the low price of $3k..
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Masterson has been looking outstanding.. 
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I've not ever brewed with wet hops. Might sound gross, but throw one in your mouth and chew on it. That would be the best way to see. I think it would be a bit more subtle than dried, but I don't know for sure.
As for chilling, I boil in a half bbl keg. (Not knowing how big your kettle is, take this with a grain of salt)
When finished, I put in the immersion chiller, and then put the keg in an old wash tub I have. I then let the "waste" water fill the tub and run out. I'm on a well and it will chill boiling wort down to 68-70° in about an hour in the hot assed summer. I don't use any ice.
I'd find something smaller in diameter than the kiddie pool unless you're on a well too. that's a chit load of aqua wasted.
Back when I was doing partial batches on the stove, I'd set my 5 gal pot in the sink w/immersion chiller and an ice bath. How big is your boil kettle?
As for the last question, getting it chilled as fast as possible is the goal. I've got a plate heat exchanger due to arrive from British Columbia any day now. It will chill 10bbl of boiling wort down to 68° in 30 mins using my well water. That will cut down on some time, but it comes with a cost.. All for the low price of $3k..
So serious, so technical, so worked up.
It's just beer.
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cart your ancient ass down south & i'll make you some casual, non-technical brew and make you drink it all..
it will likely taste like cider vinegar run thru some chit stained panty hose
PS, take this chit to the brew forum
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Wacha and Molina will report to AA Springfield this week. Wacha to throw a live session Wednesday. Molina to participate in workouts tomorrow. .
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We need 'em. They better be sure before bringing Wacha back.
Won 4 of 5 and then back to samo samo....dropped 2 of 3 in Philly.
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Rosie needs to get his friggen act together and none too quick.
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Cards seem to like the Jekyl and Hyde shake and bake.
Gotta say, the rest of the league seems to like it too.
The only recent good news to come out of this season long trend is come from behind wins are way up and two out hits we lead the league.
The rest of it basically sucks.
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1 Game lead in the Central. I'll take getting hot in September an riding it into the playoffs..........instead of getting hot in May and falling flat in September like Bubba's Braves
In other good news.........about 10 more games before the Cubs are eliminated from the playoffs once again.
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Well we were hot....before we ran into that baseball buzz saw known as the Cincinnati Reds.
Good grief.
Matheney with the Ellis for Adams pinch hit move as our last batter today with the tying runner on? In a big game. Ellis?? Really?
The guys batting a buck eighty.
I dunno. Lefty/righty, BA historical matchup.....not sure of the logic but that move seemed odd to say the least.
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Well we were hot....before we ran into that baseball buzz saw known as the Cincinnati Reds.
Good grief.
Matheney with the Ellis for Adams pinch hit move as our last batter today with the tying runner on? In a big game. Ellis?? Really?
The guys batting a buck eighty.
I dunno. Lefty/righty, BA historical matchup.....not sure of the logic but that move seemed odd to say the least.
yeah.......it is hard to believe that move
but ya gotta admit 3.5 game lead in September in spite of all the strange moves -- even after dropping 3 of 4 to the Reds
and somewhere in Chicago there is a Cub's fan crying in his beer and saying
"maybe the Cardinals really do have magic pixie dust"
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Not just Chicago...Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Cincy......hey, that's the whole division.
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Cubs fans are still happy. It's mid September an they officially haven't been eliminated from the playoffs
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Matheney with the Ellis for Adams pinch hit move as our last batter today with the tying runner on? In a big game. Ellis?? Really?
How Ellis is still on the roster is the question I ponder. I don't care what he's owed. He needs to be gone!!
I was listening to that move on the radio and it was told that Ellis was 3 for 4 against Chapman. The one out was the strikeout the night before. Was Matheny trying to show the world how smart he is? Every fan with even half of a brain knows Ellis would eventually be at .200 or less against Chapman, if he batted off him more than a dozen times. So, you take a skewed stat and use it as justification to take out one of your best hitters, with some pop, and replace him with the worst hitter on the bench. I would rather they put Miller in...
The Cards control their own destiny at this point. We'll see what this bunch is made of in the next few weeks....
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"HomeofToto" City fans will gladly trade you Ned Yost for Matheny. In last nights game the Royals started Liam Hendricks because Danny Duffy (who has been a stud) had to miss a start. I don't think anyone but Ned would have figured that Liam (an Aussie who was a throw-in in a late year trade) would probably throw a shut out. But Ned had our #2 hitter sacrifice bunt after the lead off hitter had doubled! WTF is up with that?? I can match any stoopid move that Matheny makes and raise you with a Yost move. Bet on it..  
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Not bashing Matheny and still support him. He's sort of like my wife... Love her to death but sometimes...
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For a guy lucky enough to get one of baseballs most sought after jobs without any prior coaching or managing experience he's done pretty well for himself. And I think he's improving each year.
He's had good rosters to work with and he basically hasn't screwed up but most importantly his teams have been ready for post season.
Not perfect, a real bore but yeah, the Cards could have done much worse.
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1.5 Game lead. 4 games to play. Pirates are red hot. Oh the drama...
Last night's loss was brutal. Could have put themselves in a great position to begin thinking about setting up pitching for the playoffs. Now they have to play like every game is the WS. Maybe we get lucky and Atlanta finds some heart and tries to win a game or two. On paper, you like the final series match-ups with Cards playing Arizona and Pirates at Reds. But "on paper" isn't worth much when you get to this point in the season. You got one team swinging free and easy, getting ready for golf. And the other team is squeezing the bat handles...
Go Cards!!
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Sptsman . I have been a Braves fan for 50 years....you are asking them for heart? Dude it is September..
Afraid the Cards have to do this the old fashioned way. 
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Sptsman . I have been a Braves fan for 50 years....you are asking them for heart? Dude it is September..
Afraid the Cards have to do this the old fashioned way.
Well Bubba, it looks like they found a little sumptin' in themselves. I guess asking for two in a row would be crazy talk, eh?
I never thought I would say this but... Go Braves!!
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I'd throw up in my mouth a little if I said that, just sayin'.. Almost as bad as rooting for the Spankees or Gayhawks..
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So who's Matheney gonna put on the playoff roster?
Preizinski over Cruz?? It's a tough call. If Cruz is not on the roster then really, Matheney can't use the lefty Priezinsky as a pinch hitter anyway.
Or both get on and a guy like Gonzales has to sit? THAT will bum me out. Marco is showing some really good stuff I don't care if he is still in diapers.
Kozma over Descalso? Yes, MM will have to bench one of his favs. Right?
Is Grichuk REALLY going to get a START for game 1? I hope so. This kids a keeper.
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Pressure is on the Dodgers tonite.
Their field, their Cy Young/ MVP Ace is on the hill.
Let's see what Cards team shows up.
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Great win.... 
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Sometimes a team just has a guys number.
Like the Cardinals do Kershaw.
But don't any one tell Mattingly.
Carpenter busts out of his funk at the best of times......
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hooooooeeee a tight one last night!
How bout the rookie?
Neshek back to form, Carpenter still with the cape on his back and Rosie......being Rosie.
Cards need to give Kershaw his fourth post season loss in two years if they want to stay home tonite.
One tall order.
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Nothing Wong with that game! Lackey did exactly what he was brought over here to do! It's time to beat Kershaw AGAIN! I hope Miller is able to channel his energy and emotions.
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Up at the farm so it was radio but.......
Big City
Big blast
Big win
LA teams will be playing golf
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Watched every minute of every game but I still can't tell you exactly how we did what we just did.
I do know I'm exhausted after watching Rosie for two nights.
4th year in a row for the NLCS. Dang that's good.
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Watched every minute of every game but I still can't tell you exactly how we did what we just did.
Andy will tell you tomorrow......get some rest.
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Forkin A! I believe the Cards were dead last in home run production in the NL, but won all 3 games on the big blast. SWEEEET. 
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Watched every minute of every game but I still can't tell you exactly how we did what we just did.
Andy will tell you tomorrow......get some rest.
griffin
They had more runs after 9 innings, in 3 of the 4 games...
They had no business winning that series. On paper, the Dodgers are just a better team. Other than the middle of the bullpen, they are better. Glad they play on the field and not on paper...
On to San Fran. They have a little score to settle with them.
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I'm rested, but..... even after that brilliant analysis on the paper industry........ still wondering.
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it's pretty simple..
stl scored more runs than the dodgers in 3 of the 4 games they played
now y'all can go back to watchin the oprah channel with a lil more peace..
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On paper in 2006 the cardinals were supposed to get beat by everyone. The only thing the experts got right on paper, was the chit they wiped they wiped their ass with
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Hope the cards do well against the giants. When I was a whole lot younger, the dodgers were my favorite team; but they were the Brooklyn bums back then. 
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While Bumgardner clearly mesmerized the lineup we gave away all the runs he needed to bury us. Can't do that.
Thinking the veteran Priezinsky would have been a better choice than Cruz in the crucial 7th.
And I'd give Tavaras a shot tonight and move Jay up in the order.
Now I feel better.
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ummmmmmmmmm....holy chit.
And I mean holy friggen chit!
But Houston............we got a problem.
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Nice walkoff win for the cards last night.
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ummmmmmmmmm....holy chit.
And I mean holy friggen chit!
But Houston............we got a problem.
Houston........we need a closer!!!
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ummmmmmmmmm....holy chit.
And I mean holy friggen chit!
But Houston............we got a problem.
Houston........we need a closer!!!
A little late for that acquisition. I would like to see them extend Neshek into the 9th for a batter or two, when it would work (place in batting order, righty/lefty, etc...). One thing I and pretty sure of is that Matheny is going to stick with Rosenthal as his closer. For better or worse that is how he rolls...
It would appear Molina is done. I hope not but anyone that has pulled an oblique knows that it hurts to breathe heavily. I can't imagine him catching and hitting. Let's hope it is not quite as bad as it looked....
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He might go back to Rosie in the ninth, but he might not.
About 6 weeks ago, when Rosenthal had his problems, he did use Neshek in the ninth a few times.
If it is Rosie, even as stubborn as MM is, it will be handled different than last night. God Willing.
And while we are 1-1, we have problems. The D has been less than stellar, allowing Frisco to score almost every run of theirs so far off the uncharacteristic mistakes.
Then there's Rosie.
And last, but no where near least, we have lost Molina. If I had my choice, he would have been the one guy to keep from injury. Not sure we are going to get by Frisco without him behind the plate and guiding the team and the pitching staff nevertheless be able to contain the KC speedsters if we advance. From a game management slant, this is a real mess for the Cards.
But hell. It's done. Time to roll and do the undoable.
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neshek or Martinez in the 9th, Rosenthal in the 8th
the Polish dude behind the dish..
everything else stays the same.
winner in 6
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neshek or Martinez in the 9th, Rosenthal in the 8th
the Polish dude behind the dish..
everything else stays the same.
winner in 6
Whoops....................
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Well that has to be one of the most stupid and senseless handling of the pen I've seen.
Impossible to explain all the other options that were available beyond the course that Matheney decided upon.
But maybe I'm being too hard on him. Maybe he suffered a mild stroke in the 7th when the confusion began....and then had another one, the big one, in the tenth disabling him from raising his hand to pull the guy who never should have been in the tenth to begin with.
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Wow! Did the Birds over achieve to get this far or did they decide to start drinking heavily in the NLCS? Do they have a collective brain cramp? It ain't over but the Fat lady is warming up. Matheny is not managing well IMHO and the defense has been poor. The bullpen has been suspect for some time and it is showing up now.
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BTW I think AJ the Polack has a career in Hollywood after he retires. Didja all see that? That was funny but was a smart baseball move on his part - I'll give him credit for that!
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Other than Matheney's move with choosing and keeping Choate in the tenth in game #3 the pen is not really the problem. And I don't even blame Choate. He did what I thought he'd do once he got by the second batter.
Cardinals D has been off, bad and not nearly good enough to win a series like this.
Look at almost every Giants run and you will see it came off a bad defensive play or outright error.
Last night no exception, particularly runs 5 and 6.
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Pitching is bad. Hitting is good. Molina out is not helping. It's not looking good for us
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We win tonight.....IF we win tonight....Katie bar the door!
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Just gotta figure out how were gonna win.........tonite.....I think miracle comes to mind.
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Left bases loaded in the 9 th. That can't be good! 
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Another good season Cards. Sorry ya not playing KC...
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Another good season Cards. Sorry ya not playing KC...
Magic pixie dust will only carry ya so far and it
looks like y'all got the magic pixie dust allotment this year
You better hope Ned doesn't get his pocket picked by Bochy
If the Giants haven't fried their bull pen, y'all are in for a battle
and btw
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The good news for KC is that SF is not a great team. They are good, they are opportunistic and the are scrappy. They are a lot like KC.
I think KC can with this thing if the layoff hasn't caused them to lose some of the mojo. The key will be to play good defense and the pitching. KC will score their share of runs, that's a given. They just can't make mistakes in the field and/or have a pitching meltdown.
I will be rooting for KC, just because, well, 30 years is long enough punishment for being handed a WS gift...
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Pretty much agree....keep up the pitching and play good D and you can beat the Giants.
Matheny with yet another mind boggling pitching strategy last night.
Wow. What a goof.
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I will be rooting for KC, just because, well, 30 years is long enough punishment for being handed a WS gift...
Well that's OK to do.....Except for if it was the cubs
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I will be rooting for KC, just because, well, 30 years is long enough punishment for being handed a WS gift...
Well that's OK to do.....Except for if it was the cubs
Bwahahahahahahaha......BTW, Go Royals.
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I can't see why the Royals won't play SF tough. True they have some Royals' qualities, but if the Royals play to their potential then I am OK with our chances. Will the streak & momentum be in question having 5 days rest? I don't think so.:no:
I expect a hard-fought series with no clue who will prevail. Obviously I want the Royals to keep playing their game and see how we do. 
The pennant win was already more than I had to see to be satisfied for this year. Better years ahead if we can keep the core...
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Not that August baseball and October baseball are the same...but the Giants were in "HomeofToto" City back in August for a 3 game interleague series and went home without a win then.
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