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DjF said:
Not much of a hockey fan, but is it ever good when some one says "not a terrible contract and (said player) is not a terrible player for what he is." Couldn't that money be spent better?

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griffin said:
Well, the Blues are certainly better with Shattenkirk gone and Burgland signed.

What a forking joke this team is.

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DjF said:
Not much of a hockey fan, but is it ever good when some one says "not a terrible contract and (said player) is not a terrible player for what he is." Couldn't that money be spent better?

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Maybe.

griffin and Sptsman seem dead set against him and some of me agrees. I might agree more with them if they can name a player or two available that can come in and do better for the money. Plus, the Blues, like most of the league, need centers. I am 100% certain he could of gotten more on the open market this summer.

He' a third line center, big guy, good on his defense and extremely hot/cold on his assists and scoring. He uses his size on offense and not so much on D. He's been a offensive disappointment since he came up but in the end his numbers are pretty much in line with other 3rd line centers. His play off game is usually better than his regular season game.

It's probably going to be a kiss your sister contract. He's on a torrid scoring pace right now after a bad first half, we'll see what happens in the remaining games.

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Regarding Berglund, I just think the Blues grossly overvalue him and are paying him a cap-damaging salary. He's a mediocre 3rd line center. He has tons of God-given talent, skill, size, etc. and has never been able to muster up enough heart to use it all effectively. He gets these fat deals, plays like chit for 75% of the term and turns in on for a new deal. If the last several years aren't enough evidence, how about the two games since he's signed his new deal. Against Chicago his +/- was -2 and against Edmonton last night he was -1. Expect more of the same from him. He should be making no more than a $1 million or so. And the fact that other teams are willing to overpay, doesn't make it an acceptable deal. And the fact that we don't have an immediate replacement sitting on the bench is not justification either. They would be in better shape, all the way around, if they gave a shot to one of the youngsters in the AHL.

The bottom line is this team has too many players that showed promise and actually performed in the NHL, got fat contracts and are now not playing up to their deals. I can't think of a bigger dog right now that Schwartz. I was told (right here on this very forum) he was the future and "he makes everyone better". Perhaps I misunderstood and those were supposed to be references to making his bankers better off. If it was in reference to his hockey teammates, he only makes them better when he's on the bench and they get more ice time. Because his on-ice contributions aren't making anyone better.

I'll hold out hope for the rest of the season but it is really becoming hard to watch these guys play at less than 100%. Oh what I wouldn't give to have a Brian Sutter or even a Steve Ott in this team's dressing room...

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last_stand said:
And then, OF COURSE, Jake Allen gives up a routine shot off his glove and breaks this teams back once again.

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last_stand said:
And then, OF COURSE, Jake Allen gives up a routine shot off his glove and breaks this teams back once again.

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Placing even 1% of what is going on with this team on Jake Allen right now is preposterous (is it allowed to use that word here?)!! No doubt he was a disaster mid-season but his play over the last 10+ games has been just fine. And the shot you are referring to was deflected by one of his defenseman's stick blade. Watch the replay. I'm sure he would like to have a redo on that shot but let's not pretend it was just simple shot and he missed it. It had changed directions just enough to go off his glove instead of in it. That being said, Jake Allen needs to play at a high level from here on out, if the Blues are to have any chance.

And I have never given two flyin' forks about moral victories against any team, especially the Hawks. Maybe that's OK at the high school and college levels but it just makes you a loser at the pro level. The Cubs went 108 years with a whole bunch of moral victories and the Blues have now exceeded 50 years of moral victories. Playing them close and losing in the last 5-10 minutes is loss, just the same a losing 10-1. It gets you zero points and goes on your record as a loss. Perhaps someone in the STL media and in the Blues locker room needs to hammer that point home, instead of treating these players like some sort of boy-wonder celebrities. Rant complete!!

Right now the success or failure of this season rests completely on the guys with the bigger salaries. If they can't find it in themselves to play up to the levels they are being paid, this team won't make the playoffs.

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Allen had the puck on his glove.

Deflected my ass he had clear vision and had the puck no matter how it got there.

I have zero idea why you are talking about moral victories. I am talking about the Blues choking.

Good forking grief.

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Bubba said:
It is disheartening to the rest of us when you three squabble..

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It's hard enough keeping these two knuckleheads in line without having you chime in...

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