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.....send Jon Jay packing and pick up a solid bench player for the infield.
Heyward deal in the works??
And TLR wants out of the basement. Has he spent enough? Wow.
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Jay move was a good one. Not a JJ hater but the trade was good for the Cards. It essentially replaces Kozma with a guy that can actually hit and with occasional pop. And they did it from an area of surplus, even if they don't land Heyward.
If the Heyward sweepstakes become just that, a sweepstakes, the Cards won't get him. All it takes is one team to offer the crazy dollars and it will be over quickly... He's a good player but I struggle with the idea he is worth $20-$25 mil a year, for 7 or more years. And word is he wants an opt-out in years 3 or 4. That could actually help the Cards, if he signs and wants out for a longer deal. They wouldn't have a Pujols-like deal, paying an aging star.
Arizona will be in the race this year, to be sure. They were already a good offensive team. Adding Greinke and Miller upgrades that staff substantially. The only concern is both of those hurlers have the head worms to one degree or another. Can they both just pitch and not be worried or distracted by any of the distractions they've had in the past?
The biggest concern for Cards fans should be starting pitching. You can bet the house on at least one major starting pitching injury and two or three is not out of the question. They need depth badly. Counting on rookies or unproven guys is a huge risk!!
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Andy....I imagine if we gave you 6 months to work off some of that geezer body, you could hit better than Pete Kozma
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We could dig up Ty Cobb, put a bat in his bony damn hands, and he could outhit Kozma.
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Martha Stewart can hit better than Pete Kozma
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A limp wristed skirt wearing nancy boy from Queer Eye for the Straight guy could hit better than Pete Kozma.....but then again, those hands are pretty used to balls being thrown at them and doing something with it.
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Heyward gone. Can't say I'll miss him. His glove was great but his bat hasn't lived up to the hype since he came into the big leagues. He was supposed to be a .300+ hitter, 30 HR's, 100 rbi, and 40+ SB a year guy. Instead he is a .260 hitter who can't hit the high fastball people love to feed him. Hell, we got that with Phambimo with a lot less money Time to chase Chris Davis or Gordon from KC. That would make the entire west side throw up in their mouth seeing him in a STL uniform.
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JHey went to Chiraq for 23 million/year for 8 years....
that was Pujols money crazy
I have to laugh at all the sports Talking heads going on about Theo etc......
ain't hard to play poker if you can buy the hand on every deal and it looks like the Cubs have deeeeeep pockets or they intend to price the Cards out of the market.
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Gordon is a bit long in the tooth and he probably wants a multi year/longish contract
Davis??? You think Matheny could live with not trotting Adams out there day after day?
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Throw Davis in the OF if needed. After watching the famine or famine O last year, the cards need a strong bat.
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Heyward gone. Can't say I'll miss him. His glove was great but his bat hasn't lived up to the hype since he came into the big leagues. He was supposed to be a .300+ hitter, 30 HR's, 100 rbi, and 40+ SB a year guy. Instead he is a .260 hitter who can't hit the high fastball people love to feed him. Hell, we got that with Phambimo with a lot less money Time to chase Chris Davis or Gordon from KC. That would make the entire west side throw up in their mouth seeing him in a STL uniform.
He batted .293 in 2015.
The Cubs offered less than the Cardinals. Word is a lot less. Cards lost their best defensive player to a team that needed exactly that. He doesn't have to be some savior for them like he did for us, just play the way he played last year and the Cubs will be thrilled. And at 26 years old, I wouldn't bet against his offensive game getting even better over the next 4 years.
So the Cards make huge plays for 2 guy this off season, thought they had both of them, and got skunked twice.
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what was the length of the stl offer? 10 yrs?
the guy was a pretty decent player, but he wasn't 200 million decent..
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Dude......seriously be had a caeeee year at the plate with his average. He can't hit the high faat ball and as a FUKIN outfielder hit 13 HR's. Our middle infielders hit more. Grichuk who missed 60 more games than Heyward hit 4 mkre HR's. Piscotty hit 5 less in100 less games. Hell even Phambimo was on pace to outhit Heyward and he played like a month.
When you pay a dude $23 million a year he better earn a million per HR or hit .330. Piscotty and Grichuk provide way more pop at the plate for way less money. I don't care how damn young Heyward is. He isn't the badass player billed to be. Cards have talent in the outfield and will find someone to fill the void Holiday is getting to create when he retires.
Lackey also had a career year. Best ERA EVER in his career by far and pitched close to a record number for him.......and he's 37. He has to pitch lights out. He made $500k last year. I'll take a 2015 Lackey, but I'm not sure he has 2 good years in him. His velocity was down in 2014 and wasn't there last year. Maybe he can throw high fastballs at Heyward so he can practice hitting something he can catch up to
Cards will be fine. We were supposed to fail after Pu$ols left. Have won 21 playoff games since he left. Been to 3 NLCS games and 4 straight playoff years. Pu$ols hasn't won a playoff game since he left STL
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Heyward gone. Can't say I'll miss him. His glove was great but his bat hasn't lived up to the hype since he came into the big leagues. He was supposed to be a .300+ hitter, 30 HR's, 100 rbi, and 40+ SB a year guy. Instead he is a .260 hitter who can't hit the high fastball people love to feed him. Hell, we got that with Phambimo with a lot less money Time to chase Chris Davis or Gordon from KC. That would make the entire west side throw up in their mouth seeing him in a STL uniform.
He batted .293 in 2015.
If you want a left handed batter who hits .290, 15-17 Hr's, strikes out 80+ times......we have that in Matt Adams for under a million a year. And Adams has a better slugging %,
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Last year at this time both the Nationals and Padres had "won" the off-season and were going to have to duke it out in the NLCS to see who would claim the WS trophy. See how that worked out?
Come August, the Cards will be right in the thick of it, possibly even with the Division lead. The Cubs have spent a lot of money and have a darn good team on paper. But how many teams have been declared "the team to beat" in the off-season and don't even make the playoffs? The DeWitt/Mozeliak combo has been pretty good the last several years. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt...
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The O7' and 08'Flubs won the division, and put together the "team" on paper. Ramirez, Zambradouche, Soto, Soriano, Castro, Garza.......and in 2009-20011 they finished near the bottom of the Central. People are mad because Heyward left for a "contender" like the Cards weren't going to contend once he left. Just like Pujol$, he left for a "better team" and a "winning ballclub" That hasn't worked out the way he liked. I would rather have Shelby Miller signing a big contract last year during the season, instead of Heyward on the club. The depth of Waino, Wacha, Martinez, and Miller would have been a great staff. Hell Lynn pitched his ass off the last few years. I'll take a 15 year win season every year from that sucker.
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Last year at this time both the Nationals and Padres had "won" the off-season and were going to have to duke it out in the NLCS to see who would claim the WS trophy. See how that worked out?
Come August, the Cards will be right in the thick of it, possibly even with the Division lead. The Cubs have spent a lot of money and have a darn good team on paper. But how many teams have been declared "the team to beat" in the off-season and don't even make the playoffs? The DeWitt/Mozeliak combo has been pretty good the last several years. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt...
Sure the cubs can fall down. Have some injuries for a change. Watch Arrietta pitch like he did his first 7 years in the majors. Have the 38 year old Lackey get shelled. All that can happen. Hope it does.
But that ain't a way to run a rail road. I didn't go after Price and Heyward, Mo did. Two big swings and misses no matter how you slice it. If that's somehow good news in the voodoo world better let him in on it.
My point is, here on, with what's left on the board, he has to get it right. We have lost 2 key players and we have 4 core players one year older 3 of whom missed a ton of time last year with injury and never recovered to produce.
Mo knows all this. Which is why he went hard after Price and Heyward.
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Mo isn't going after another outfielder per his interview today. They are going after pitching. The starting outfielders are Holliday, Grichuk, and Piscotty. Rumor is Mark Buehrle is wanting to come back home and finish out his career in STL He would be a great arm in the rotation, especially a great LH pitcher to throw out there. Solid guy who eats up innings, wins a lot of games, and has a good K/BB ratio. He would be a good FA pickup.
Waino will be back in full form. Wacha is a solid #2. I forgot about Lynn being gone for the year with surgery. Martinez will be a solid performer again this year. If and that's a big damn if, IF Garcia doesn't strain his vagina or pull a toenail, he would be a solid LH guy to pitch every 4-5 days, especially if he pitches like he did the second half of the season. See what happens with the farm guys in spring training. There are some good ones down there.
2015 was a bad year for injuries in STL. Epic really. Holliday is old but will hopefully have a typical year at the plate. Adams will be back and will be the sold LH batter he is. If we stay healthy, it should be a good year. Molina is old as hell in catchers years, and maybe he can get some rest with the new backup in town.
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If that interview is their real plan and not some kind of ruse to get another big bat for a position player then good luck with that Mo. I am skeptical because it makes little sense.
How is it if you are willing to spend 200 million on one of two players and then since you don't get either you shut down your big FA money? When in fact you need it more than ever? When your franchise is the most profitable in all of baseball?
And I'm not talking for the sake of it. This team needs to make some moves for more power and more pitching. There are still a FEW viable guys out there. Buerhle would be a good addition. But how about Gordon? Holiday should not be in left field, he gets hurt all the time and he is terrible with his defense. Put him at first base and bring a Gordon on the team.
Cards barely played 500 ball after the all star break. We all saw the post season. So take that team and add another year of wear and lose 3 key players and hope for the best? That's plan B??
As for the cubs, not sure how you could be set up any better. And they are not done yet either. Hope it all blows up cause so far that appears to be Mo's plan.
And don't forget the Pirates. I guess they have to blow up too.
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if you read between the lines, it sounds a lot like Mo got his feelings hurt these past couple weeks, kinda like when the hot trampy chick dissed him at prom...
he's a nice dude, does a decent job at what he does, but he sounds like a politician when he talks.. I wouldn't believe anything he says in public..
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If that interview is their real plan and not some kind of ruse to get another big bat for a position player then good luck with that Mo. I am skeptical because it makes little sense.
How is it if you are willing to spend 200 million on one of two players and then since you don't get either you shut down your big FA money? When in fact you need it more than ever? When your franchise is the most profitable in all of baseball?
And I'm not talking for the sake of it. This team needs to make some moves for more power and more pitching. There are still a FEW viable guys out there. Buerhle would be a good addition. But how about Gordon? Holiday should not be in left field, he gets hurt all the time and he is terrible with his defense. Put him at first base and bring a Gordon on the team.
Cards barely played 500 ball after the all star break. We all saw the post season. So take that team and add another year of wear and lose 3 key players and hope for the best? That's plan B??
As for the cubs, not sure how you could be set up any better. And they are not done yet either. Hope it all blows up cause so far that appears to be Mo's plan.
And don't forget the Pirates. I guess they have to blow up too.
Let me get this straight.....you want a guy with an IQ slightly higher than Forrest Gump, who has played exactly 1614 games at the MLB level, and ALL of them at LF........and now you want dude to play first base. He is too old and slow to learn that position. LF is tough enough for him. Ball hit to you. Chase ball down. Throw ball to infielder. I don't think Holliday is the dumbest guy in baseball, but I wonder who ties his shoes between innings. Holliday isn't going to play another position.
Then you want to go after Alex Gordon.......why? You get a guy who misses more time than Holliday, with a few less years on him, so he can play the outfield. Gordon can at least play the infield and has done it at the MLB level. Holliday hasn't played the infield since he was 8. If you want to go after a first baseman, go get one. Chris Davis is available. Go big or stay at home. Why get a half ass option. Get the best available.
And if you want an outfielder, go get Gonzalez in Colorado. Trade Adams, get Chris Davis and you trade one LH batter for a way better LH batter at first. Pick up Gonzalez from CO for another LH dude, and you get a guy who can hit and play any OF position.  Alex Gordon is not the answer. He is a slower version of Heyward.
Perhaps you should check your stats on the 2nd half of the season also. Cards were 56-33 in the first half. An unbelievable pace. 2nd half they finished 44-29. 15 games above .500. It was a .603 pace in case you were wondering.
Take the team, add another year of wear, and lose 3 key players. The damn off season isn't over Francis......RELAX. Lynn is gone and Lackey is gone. Pick up Buerhle and that solves the old guy who eats up innings issue of Lackey. Find one more solid guy to give you innings and 10-15 wins. That replaces Lynn. Heyward is solved with the outfield we have. We get way more pop in our bats without him in the lineup. Piscotty and Grichuk aren't slow old dudes and hit with more pop than Alex Gordon for way less money. They aren't GG guys, but they aren't a liability out there either. OF guys have never been an issue in STL. They grow them on trees at the AAA level. 
The Cubs are spending their way to win a championship. Lets see if Madden can make all of it work out. He has a ton of egos to deal with and are the favorites to win it all. Let some of his key guys go down and see how long it takes to get in the hot seat if he isn't in first place at the AS break.
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I didn't know Gonzalez was a free agent. So now you're trading for him, not so simple.
You want Holiday in left over Gordon have at it. So does Matheney. Holiday has one more year left and he's gone. He can't play first any worse than he does left imo. Gordon or Upton coming on fills in that position nicely if you ask me.... for half the money of Heyward and the next few years forward.
I have no problem with counting on Piscotty and Grichuk, but yes, they are not proven top half players....yet. There is risk.
As for Davis, Mo has supposedly ruled that out. Or so he says.
Anyway, according to Mo NONE of this is happening aside from obtaining a pitcher and non budget busting position players.
I'll wait and see where it all goes when the dust settles. I still say he goes for one big position player.
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I didn't know Gonzalez was a free agent. So now you're trading for him, not so simple.
You want Holiday in left over Gordon have at it. So does Matheney. Holiday has one more year left and he's gone. He can't play first any worse than he does left imo. Gordon or Upton coming on fills in that position nicely if you ask me.... for half the money of Heyward and the next few years forward.
I have no problem with counting on Piscotty and Grichuk, but yes, they are not proven top half players....yet. There is risk.
As for Davis, Mo has supposedly ruled that out. Or so he says.
Anyway, according to Mo NONE of this is happening aside from obtaining a pitcher and non budget busting position players.
I'll wait and see where it all goes when the dust settles. I still say he goes for one big position player.
I didn't realize it was so tuff to trade for an outfielder. Who knew it was so hard????????
Go back 7 years and compare Holliday and Gordon.......who do you think has played in more games? I'll let you in on a secret. Its not the KC guy. Hell go back 9 years for the entire career of Gordon. Holliday has still played in more games.
Gordon missed 1/3 of last year. 2009 he missed 70% of the games. 2010 55% of the games. You want to get a guy who has missed significant time in 1/3 of his MLB career. Holliday missed a lot of games last year for his leg. In 2011 he missed games for the same injury, but roughly 20 games. 2013 another 15 days for a quad. I'll still take a guy who has missed less time and is a bigger bat over a guy who has missed more time that Holliday, with a weaker bat. We missed offense last year. Holliday gives the lineup more pop.
You act like Holliday gives is a huge liablity in the field. Dude has had 21 errors in LF while wearing a Caridnals uniform. 7 years of playing and 21 errors. Not a huge number. Sure its not the GG winning numbers of Gordon, who had 11 errors in 6 seasons. I won't even list his infield numbers, because Gordon sucked at 3rd.
Upton gives you more at the plate than Gordon, but makes Holliday look like a Platinum Glove Winner in the field. Upgrade the pitching, and get another guy at first. Worry about filling the outfield next season or mid year at the trade deadline.
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Gordon is all in with Mo.
Now I'm really worried.
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Get Holiday on first base.
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Get Holiday on first base.
I don't care how.
I don't know what they put in your eggnog but putting "Hands of Stone and Bad Back" Holiday at first??????
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Merry Christmas Wu.
You're not far off the mark but even sober.........at least he has someone behind him at first base.
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Get Holiday on first base.
I don't care how.
You want a guy who has played 12 years at LF to suddenly move to 1st.......because he has committed 21 errors in 7 year.  You really are a special kind of stupid. Probably dumber than Holliday. That dude can't learn a new position. He is dumb as your post. See ball. Run to ball. Throw ball back to dirt track looking thing. We have 2 more years with him in the OF before he retires. Relax Francis. It's not like he makes 15 errors a year out there and hits like Kozma.
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It's more about first base than anything to do with Holidays brain or poor defense that you harp on more than me.
It's about getting power out of the first base position, a pre requisite for any championship team and a spot we have sorely missed upon the past few years.
It's about forcing the Cardinals to make a move for more team power to fill his shoes in left.
It's a forkin opinion. You have yours and fortunately for me, I have mine.
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A healthy Matt Adams puts more pop in the lineup and a higher BA than Heyward did in right.......and every ok r seemed thrilled to pay him $23 mill a year for his subpar bat.
If a first baseman is what we need to win a championship in your mind, then go get one. Chris Davis is still available.
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Have the cubs won the World Series yet or is it the Royals?
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MLB is considering not even having the regular season for the NL. They might just declare the Cubs the winner and have a WS with the Cubs and whoever wins the AL...
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Cards looking at a 3rd place finish and maybe a wild card slot.
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Cards looking at a 3rd place finish and maybe a wild card slot.
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Sorry homer. Been a Cards fan as long as I can remember. Just stating facts. Do like to see the Royals do well, but when the two meet I am backing the Cards.
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Cards have about the same starting pitching as last year. What they lost has been replaced with healthy players returning and one add. The bullpen is better, at least on paper. The line-up lost a little with Heyward but they have depth in the OF with guys that have shown they can do it on the field. And the bench is clearly better (not that it took much to improve). Having a hard time seeing how they are going to have this huge drop and finish 3rd. Perhaps you know of some secret injuries the rest of us don't.
No question that injuries will derail this team. Hopefully, they can give key players and little more rest this year and not have a worn-out team come playoff time.
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...they can give key players and little more rest this year and not have a worn-out team come playoff time.
They had plenty of rest last year during the playoffs....and the year before Just sayin!
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Sorry homer. Been a Cards fan as long as I can remember. Just stating facts. Do like to see the Royals do well, but when the two meet I am backing the Cards.
Facts? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I have no idea what is going to happen this year but this team won more games than anyone in the division last year without their #1 starter for the entire year yet you have it as FACT they end up in 3rd place.
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Get Holiday on first base.
I don't care how.
You want a guy who has played 12 years at LF to suddenly move to 1st.......because he has committed 21 errors in 7 year. You really are a special kind of stupid. Probably dumber than Holliday. That dude can't learn a new position. He is dumb as your post. See ball. Run to ball. Throw ball back to dirt track looking thing. We have 2 more years with him in the OF before he retires. Relax Francis. It's not like he makes 15 errors a year out there and hits like Kozma.
Gee dawg, what happened here?
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/...a964959da4.html
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...they can give key players and little more rest this year and not have a worn-out team come playoff time.
They had plenty of rest last year during the playoffs....and the year before Just sayin!
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...they can give key players and little more rest this year and not have a worn-out team come playoff time.
They had plenty of rest last year during the playoffs....and the year before Just sayin!
Lord knows the Royals should be well rested. They had the better part of 3 decades to rest up. Crow on Rooster......crow on.
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Get Holiday on first base.
I don't care how.
You want a guy who has played 12 years at LF to suddenly move to 1st.......because he has committed 21 errors in 7 year. You really are a special kind of stupid. Probably dumber than Holliday. That dude can't learn a new position. He is dumb as your post. See ball. Run to ball. Throw ball back to dirt track looking thing. We have 2 more years with him in the OF before he retires. Relax Francis. It's not like he makes 15 errors a year out there and hits like Kozma.
Gee dawg, what happened here?
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/...a964959da4.html
Lookin at the picture in the article, he looks like a 10 year old learning first base. I work with Holliday's HS coach. Matt got the physical tools. His brother Josh got the smarts. Matt isn't smart enough to learn a new position at 36. Hell he wasn't smart enough to learn one at 26. Holliday will be in LF come opening day.
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I did see that KC is 2-5 this Spring Training....not that Spring Training means anything, but it is 2 wins to the 2016 Yearly win total for those folks in KC keeping track of wins. Its a westside thing.
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Sorry for not joining in the conversation earlier. I've been busy packing and moving into the ranch and homestead. Gonna be busy planting soon, so yall will have to be patient with my counter postings. I'll check back in next week to see how yall are getting along.
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Looks like it's going to be an interesting start to the season.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/...de28bae42f.html
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Relax,......its spring training. These games matter if you are from th west side and count them in overall wins on the season
Plenty of teams are struggling this spring. Royals.....you know the new money Dynasty team, is 13-18. The Pirates have won fewer games than STL. The Flubs, the darlings to win the WS this year by the experts, are also 8-17 this spring. Lackey is 0-3 with an 6.50+ ERA & Heyward isn't batting Pete Kozma's weight. The experts say those two are superstar and the greatest players STL had. One would think the Flubs would have more wins if spring season meant anything
It's a trash article written by a Denver Colorado ass clown. His article isn't worth keeping to use as back up chit paper
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Yeah.......so how many games in before Holiday goes to first?
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With Moss and Adams healthy....why even risk the dumb OK country boy at 1st. Just another way for him to get hurt going after a ball he couldn't get to in the first place.
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It is shaping up to be an odd opening day roster. If things go as they appear, they'll have 6 outfielders and just one back-up for infield. WTF is that? The only thing that makes sense is they plan on playing Holiday and/or Moss at first more than people are thinking. Even at that, you still are going to have a glut of outfielders and a shortage at the infield positions, other than first base. I guess we'll see how it all washes out.
Pitching looks good. I'd say the starting 5 are as good as any rotation in MLB and better than most. Let's hope they all stay healthy (not likely). You would think the biggest worries would be the older guys that have a history of injury like Wainwright and Garcia but I am far more worried about Wacha's shoulder and Martinez with his issues at the end of last year. I guess we'll know soon enough...
Looking forward to Sunday's opener against the Pirates. Of course with the forecast of 70, I may have to watch it on DVR. A golf course will be calling my name...
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Looking forward to Sunday's opener against the Pirates. Of course with the forecast of 70, I may have to watch it on DVR. A golf course will be calling my name...
Hell, you don't have to wait until Sunday...I drove by a golf course this morning that was calling your name. I wasn't sure I actually heard it say "Andy" so I stopped and listened...sure enough, I heard this:
"Andy!! Andy!! You don't know chit about hockey!"
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& then the lil voice ssid..." Andy.fastman could give tha 2 aside & still beat ya 3 & 2....if his back was ok "
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& then the lil voice ssid..." Andy.fastman could give tha 2 aside & still beat ya 3 & 2....if his back was ok "
Packing a 14-15 handicap, that would not be difficult...
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Jason Daze we aint 
I'm available to give lessons on days that end in y..........m.................c....................and A 
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Have the cubs won it all yet?
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Hey somebody say something....It will be alright.
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Hey somebody say something....It will be alright.
Thank you Braves.
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Think nothing of it , it was our pleasure. I'm sure many others will be thanking us as well..
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I see we got a couple of homers out of first base last night.
Who was that guy?
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Cards are 1-5 against good teams and have beaten up on the doormats. Sure hope they are better than I think they are.
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Cards are 1-5 against good teams and have beaten up on the doormats. Sure hope they are better than I think they are.
The season is 9% completed. Still have about 91% of the games to play. Cards have a lot to figure out with 6 outfielders and more bats that line-up spots. They may not be able to beat the Cubs for the Division title but they'll be just fine.
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Cards are 1-5 against good teams and have beaten up on the doormats. Sure hope they are better than I think they are.
Is this when the Bandwagon folks start to climb off, or do they wait until they have actually played into May?? Just curious as to what to do. The westsiders seems to know more about the bandwagon deal than I do.
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Cards are 1-5 against good teams and have beaten up on the doormats. Sure hope they are better than I think they are.
Is this when the Bandwagon folks start to climb off, or do they wait until they have actually played into May?? Just curious as to what to do. The westsiders seems to know more about the bandwagon deal than I do.
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.............ain't that the truth.
I don't pay attention until the last blue puck has dropped. I'm hoping that's later than usual this year.
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Cards are 1-5 against good teams and have beaten up on the doormats. Sure hope they are better than I think they are.
Is this when the Bandwagon folks start to climb off, or do they wait until they have actually played into May?? Just curious as to what to do. The westsiders seems to know more about the bandwagon deal than I do.
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.............ain't that the truth.
I don't pay attention until the last blue puck has dropped. I'm hoping that's later than usual this year.
You all talking about Leeo as the wagon jumper?
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Cards are 1-5 against good teams and have beaten up on the doormats. Sure hope they are better than I think they are.
Is this when the Bandwagon folks start to climb off, or do they wait until they have actually played into May?? Just curious as to what to do. The westsiders seems to know more about the bandwagon deal than I do.
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.............ain't that the truth.
I don't pay attention until the last blue puck has dropped. I'm hoping that's later than usual this year.
You all talking about Leeo as the wagon jumper?
I think Leeo has worn out Royals gear....not sure. Don't talk to him. I'm talking about several people. If the shoe fits, lace that biatch up and wear it until the wheels fall off the bandwagon.
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As far as the Cardinals or Royals getting more wins on the season......The Birds on the Bats lead ALL of MLB in HR's, slugging, runs, RBI's, OPS & Triples.....and are in the top 3 in doubles, hits, batting average The Royals are in the Top 10 in Triples and average If those stats hold true or stay on pace, I'd say the Cardinals will be just fine. Pitching the Royals have a slight edge in Team ERA and K's, with the Cardinals having fewer walks and more quality starts.
Its early, but the Cards seem to be feast or famine at the plate. The rooks are keeping the BA up there, because the old dudes are slacking.
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No need to discuss anything until June. A complete wasted of time before then. Besides, there is hockey to watch now...
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I got a kick out of this.. Lackey will fold up like a cheap chair and implode before this year is over.. He ain't got the stuff he used to have and it will show late in the year, especially with all the pressure that comes with playing for a perennial loser..
Forkin mouth breather..
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/i...iego-padres-win
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CHICAGO -- Chicago Cubs pitcher John Lackey was apparently upset with the way San Diego Padres catcher Christian Bethancourt reacted after hitting a home run in the Padres' 1-0 win over the Cubs on Wednesday night.
"How many home runs does he have?" Lackey asked sarcastically after the game.
Wednesday was Bethancourt's third of the season, and it was a monster blast to left that landed on the street outside Wrigley Field. Bethancourt watched it for a moment before rounding the bases.
"I got a long memory," said Lackey (4-2), who took the loss after going eight innings and allowing a run on three hits, with no walks and seven strikeouts.
Bethancourt and Lackey don't have a history; this was the first meeting between hitter and pitcher, which Lackey was well aware of.
"Oh, I know," Lackey said. "He'll learn."
Bethancourt's homer was the lone run of the game, giving the Padres a doubleheader sweep and the Cubs their first two-game losing streak of the season.
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I got a kick out of this.. Lackey will fold up like a cheap chair and implode before this year is over.. He ain't got the stuff he used to have and it will show late in the year, especially with all the pressure that comes with playing for a perennial loser..
Forkin mouth breather..
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/i...iego-padres-win
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CHICAGO -- Chicago Cubs pitcher John Lackey was apparently upset with the way San Diego Padres catcher Christian Bethancourt reacted after hitting a home run in the Padres' 1-0 win over the Cubs on Wednesday night.
"How many home runs does he have?" Lackey asked sarcastically after the game.
Wednesday was Bethancourt's third of the season, and it was a monster blast to left that landed on the street outside Wrigley Field. Bethancourt watched it for a moment before rounding the bases.
"I got a long memory," said Lackey (4-2), who took the loss after going eight innings and allowing a run on three hits, with no walks and seven strikeouts.
Bethancourt and Lackey don't have a history; this was the first meeting between hitter and pitcher, which Lackey was well aware of.
"Oh, I know," Lackey said. "He'll learn."
Bethancourt's homer was the lone run of the game, giving the Padres a doubleheader sweep and the Cubs their first two-game losing streak of the season.
I saw Lackey at our anger management classes for a year, until he packed up and left for Shitcago. Dude has some issues. I guess when you serve up a 77 mph off speed pitch with your old tired arm, and allow the ball to be hit so hard, long, and far.....that they had an inflight meal service on the trip out of the park....I see why he got angry.
I'm personally smiling at Heyward. Wasn't impressed with him in STL or never understood the hype. $25 million a year for a dude 30 games in and ZERO HR's, zero triples, 5 weak ass doubles, almost double the strikeouts to walks, while batting .216 & slugging .256 The Cubs paid $22 million for a guy to bat like Pete Kozma. Meanwhile his replacement, Stephen Piscotty. 5HR, .319 BA and .514 slugging THE BIGGEST STAT for all those baseball junkies who now believe you gotta have a WAR to be worth something......the dumbest chit ever in my opinion. Heyward has a .2 WAR. Piscotty a 1.4 WAR
Heyward $22 million
Piscotty $512,500
I sure Piscotty pays off this year. I'm worried he wont'
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Not much banter with the Blues winning.
2+ weeks on the 2016 WS Champion Royals thread......I guess when the team can't stay above .500, its clear to see how the bandwagon guys don't post, brag, or talk about last nights loss. I would go down there to post the win total of the Royals and the win total of the Cardinals, just to show Mac he is losing the imaginary bet I ran out of time to jump on. I'm sure he is happy. I was going to ask for a bottle of Peppy Van Winkle. After all, if you make a bet to support your team, you make it a good one. Nothing says I support you like a bottle of cheap ass scotch from the discount liquor section of Wal-Mark,
Its still May, which means there isn't much to talk about with STL baseball. All we care about Wags, is to still be talking about how they are playing in October. I just wonder how long is going to take for the New Money fans to make a post about their current 3-7 streak they are on.
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Royals had the longest streak above 500 until their recent suck-getting-their azz-kicked streak...it happens, we ain't pompus...we don't post pics of our team holding golf bags, we ride with them, we enjoy the ride...
Enjoy your tradition...you all lost last year, we won...suck on that for while...
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The golf bag hoisted high above the head of a Blues player.....is well typical of the Blues Playoff run Year in and out, hence the reason to make fun of them. My first playoff game I went to see for the Blues, is when they played the Minnesota North Stars. The Blues lost that series also. You enjoy the ride, but when the results are the same year after year, you just shake your head, post the picture of the hockey bag over the head and say maybe next year. I don't know why I'm explaining it to a Royals fan.....yall hoisted golf clubs over your heads for 3 plus decades every October. Not just come playoff time, but throughout the season too. All 11,000 of you a night. The Bandwagon guys had not climbed on board yet. They were too busy saying how much of a failure the Chiefs season would be all summer long.
I guess someone with the keys to this dump, accidentally deleted 2 weeks worth of posts on the KC thread. You know....because yall are enjoying the ride so much and posting daily.
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Hell.....Bubba has posted more in the last 2 weeks about his MLB Loss leading Braves than the Royals fans have about their sub .500 team. Last year, yall couldn't go a day without posting up the results or latest greatest thing.
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I've never been a poster much on Royals/Chiefs threads...just here and there...you know I am a fan, just don't hold to beating my breast or kicking others when their team is down...end result speaks for itself...
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Right now, if the Cards were playing .750, maybe I would have a post or two more on them. And maybe not. They have won plenty for me here lately but I still remember the 70's quite well so I support them no matter what they do and I know better than to base most anything important off of baseball in the spring.
I followed the Blues and the Rams by far more the past whatever years. My teams, I love the sports and I actually enjoy following rebuilding. Well, then there's the Rams kind of rebuilding to take into account.
Don't want to jinx them but there is no championship in any sport like the Stanly Cup. Nothing harder, more arduous, more difficult to win. And you will never find a pretender at the end of that road. It's been 49 years now, lots of everything thrown in, while it all hasn't been good it's been one hell of a ride. There's always been a core here but I welcome the jumpers. The franchise needs 'em and one day they might even figure out what icing is.
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The Cardinals are hard to watch right now. Between the intensity of the Blues games and the piss-poor play of the Cardinals, it makes it hard to sit through much more than a few innings here and there. Leading all of MLB in errors and sporadic pitching just isn't all that fun to watch. I'm figuring about the time the Blues hoist the Cup, the Redbirds will be on track...
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Hey , Ninja....the Braves won a game this weekend. Knock of the negativity...the season is young!
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It's almost June.
What are the Cardinals doing?
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Playing Jeckyl and Hyde baseball. Score 10 runs one game and 1 the next.  Waiting for the flubs "June Swoon" so maybe we can get back in the chase.
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Piscotty in one swing matched 1/4 of the rbi's Heyward has hit in 2 months. .......and equaled his HR total.
I guess he is still adjusting to playing in a new league. I hear the switch can be tough.
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Welp gotta say that lineup with Peralta at third and Diaz at short with Carp on second is pretty interesting. But I wish Carp could play short!
My post Blues summary says if this starting pitching ever comes around this club can hang and make some noise.
But first two innings watching Jaime the other night gave me a headache. Yes we won the game but he had zero to do with that.
I've got a dream in mind for the first week of post season baseball. I hope it comes true.
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It's good to see Mart Holliday getting so much playing time at 1st like LS said he would
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Now it's about "so much playing time"? Slick.
Matheney and Mo put him at first dude. Pretty sure that's what I said they should consider. But tell them how right you were. As always.
If Moss weren't hitting, he'd still be there plenty too.
And no doubt in my mind you will see him back at first as a Cardinal or on another team.
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The Cardinals have Moss and Adams to play first. They have had them all along. You wanted to put Holliday at first because we didn't have a better option there. The experiment last 5 games in April. 13+ years into a career and you want dumbo to learn a new position. SMH. Holliday isn't getting playing time at 1st anytime soon. Unless Moss and Adams, get hurt, Holliday is staying in Left. I guess if a team was desperate and we release him next year, someone could pick up a makeshift expensive slow dumb 14 year veteran with 5 games of 1st base experience. Dude
Is a liability at 1st. He will be playing Left or a DH in the AL
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I was right about Holiday at first. They did put him there.
I was dead wrong about Moss and Adams coming through. Hope it stays that way.
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I can agree with that.
Holliday at 1st doesn't work. It was never going to work. You either get a 1st baseman, or use Moss and Adams. Cards didn't spend the money they wanted to this winter. It hasn't hurt them. Could have used the starting pitching the last couple months, but happy Heyward left. His replacement is way better for way less.
A year or 2 down the road the cards will still have plenty of money to spend. The Cubs have doubled their payroll from 2 years ago. Next year, they add $13 million to it from Zobrist and Heyward. Arrieta will command $25+ Million a year minimum. Probably closer to $30 million. That puts them at $220-225 million a year minimum. !| it keeps getting heavier year after year. Cards have $35 million less on the books this year. Next year, only $93 million committed. The money is there to spend next year and make STL even better.
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I can agree with that.
Holliday at 1st doesn't work. It was never going to work. You either get a 1st baseman, or use Moss and Adams. Cards didn't spend the money they wanted to this winter. It hasn't hurt them. Could have used the starting pitching the last couple months, but happy Heyward left. His replacement is way better for way less.
A year or 2 down the road the cards will still have plenty of money to spend. The Cubs have doubled their payroll from 2 years ago. Next year, they add $13 million to it from Zobrist and Heyward. Arrieta will command $25+ Million a year minimum. Probably closer to $30 million. That puts them at $220-225 million a year minimum. !| it keeps getting heavier year after year. Cards have $35 million less on the books this year. Next year, only $93 million committed. The money is there to spend next year and make STL even better.
With Wong playing center field here lately not sure you can say the failure of a FA signing this past year did not hurt them. RG and Phambino have, so far, failed to be consistent for one reason or another and it has hurt the team, particularly in CF. I will say last years FA class pretty much sucked anyway. So far, you are right about Jhey. Hope that stays right too because it really hurts the cubs no matter what they say.
All in all we are in the WC hunt and our starting pitching has not yet lived up to it's billing. If they come through, as some signs are encouraging, it should be a good second half. Enough with the all the down trends and poor play at home, time for some consistent ball.
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Put Piscotty on center. Miss to RF. Adams at 1st. Pham is back and can start working his way into more games. The FA market was weak. Pitching is what we needed early. They seem to have it back on track. Heyward has always been overrated. Was never a fan.
Between Hazelbacker, Pham and RG.......just one needs to find their stroke. If they don't we have good options. They wouldn't be the fastest outfield STL has put on the field, but their bat power is there. Wong needs to get back in the IF. Had he got lots of playing time on the OF during spring training, I could deal with him out there.
Cubs started off at a record pace. 12-9 this month. I didn't think they could keep up their pace. Cards can keep picking at the lead and catch them in the 2nd half.
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All in all we are in the WC hunt.
Way better than being in the hunt for the number 1 overall pick in baseball for 2017. Just sayin. The way they look, I'm guessing 2018 also.
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Dude , lighten up. I have zero control on over and unders and consequently I go with the flow... Maybe you should consider that for yourself. Life is too short to be toxic on every damn subject
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Hater. I was just being a lemming and following your lead. My bad
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Phambino can go to center now.
Be great if he can stay healthy for a week or two.
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All in all we are in the WC hunt.
I said HUNT.
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Phambino can go to center now.
Be great if he can stay healthy for a week or two.
Couple more games and he might match Heyward's HR total for the year.
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Nothing against the boys in Blue but good god it's been a long long time since I have seen so much ineptness on a Cardinal team.
From manager on down, mistake after mistake.
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Back to back games with 3 errors. Someone needs to read the book again, and this time try not reading between the lines.
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I just finished a season of coaching 13 y/o boys...
Cards look about the same.
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I just finished a season of coaching 13 y/o boys...
Cards look about the same.
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I just finished a season of coaching 13 y/o boys...
Cards look about the same.
Tru dat. Wow.
Problem is, this is pretty much how they did it in spring training and 4 months later nothing much has changed. Heading for 120+ errors on the season.
Injuries are piled up. Crunch time. This really would be a miracle turnaround.
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never been a fan of peralta. dude is too forkin fat & slow to play SS and now he's too fat & slow to play 3B.
pena comes off the DL and they have to release fryer who is without a doubt, head & shoulders better than pena. Now pena is out and fryer is killing it with the pirates..
was not a fan of Broxton last year and shook my head when they re-signed him this year. dude blew lead after lead last year and same chit this year.
just a couple of the many problems with this team right now..
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Been nothing but one big game of whack-a-mole with this club.
Shame, too, cubs are struggling and no ground has been gained.
Losing Carp for extended period might be the final nail, we'll see.
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Pena would have a hard time throwing Last Stand out if LS was trying to steal 2nd
and if LS was pitching--
he would strike Pena out 3 out of 4
Cubs can go .500 ball and the cards would have to go around .600 to catch them
I don't see them catching the Cubs
Only hope is .......
Cards will be playing their wild card competition soon
Marlins & Dodgers this month
Mets next month
Pirates & Giants September
and the Cards still have a lot of games with the Reds,Brewers and Bubba's Braves
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Pena would have a hard time throwing Last Stand out if LS was trying to steal 2nd
and if LS was pitching--
he would strike Pena out 3 out of 4
Cubs can go .500 ball and the cards would have to go around .600 to catch them
I don't see them catching the Cubs
Only hope is .......
Cards will be playing their wild card competition soon
Marlins & Dodgers this month
Mets next month
Pirates & Giants September
and the Cards still have a lot of games with the Reds,Brewers and Bubba's Braves
Gotta say I wanna see Joey Maddon, the wizard of all the sports world, the king of everything good in baseball, fail this summer.
Fork the cubs. The very minute the Cards are out of it I am on whatever forkin wagon might be passing by that has a chance to knock 'em off.
And Wu, I really think it would have been better to use Bubba for your illustration of baseball futility.
I do have some friggen pride, you know.
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Hey.....I was a pretty steely 1st sacker back in the day. Never assume..
First sacker?
That lingo seems.....strange.
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Obviously you are a young punk. Back in my day that's how you described infielders...
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Obviously you are a young punk. Back in my day that's how you described infielders...
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I am old.
BP used to mean a place to get gas.
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Not easy for a Cards fan to watch this season. It isn't just the losing. Sometimes you just don't have a great team and that's that (ask Bubba about the Braves). Hell, sometimes that's easier. What is painful is to watch a team become less than the sum of it's parts. Lack of clutch hitting, pitching and making big plays is OK on occasion. It doesn't work for 75% of a season. The errors that show up in the box score are frustrating but the mental errors, poor execution and sloppy play is just inexcusable for guys making millions to do one thing, play baseball... I realize they aren't robots but when you make it to the bigs, you should know what base to throw to, where you should be on any given play, the fundamentals of base running and when to take a pitch or two and when you can swing freely... Swinging at a first pitch, down by two in the 9th, after the two men in front of you walked, should be an executable offense...
At the end of the day, this team is just hard to watch and the season is really hard to get into. I hope it turns around but I am not optimistic. Never been a Matheny basher and won't start now. But when the day comes to replace him, I won't be too upset. I think he's grown about as much as he's going to grow, in terms of evolving into a great manager. Unfortunately, his growth has stopped well short of "great".
I hear a lot of talk about who we could play in the Wild Card game. All I have to say to that is "Payoffs? Are you kidding me? Playoffs? I'm hoping we can just win a game..."
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Wild card????
That would mean they would have to beat the Marlins and the Mets and hope the Dodgers collapse and hold off Pittsburgh
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Speakin of ED... the forkin bullpen could use some medicine..
they can't hold a lead
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Last nights game was a microcosm of a good part of the entire year.
Good hitting. Decent starting pitching.
Bad management from the dugout. Really bad.
Deplorable fielding decisions/execution.
Bad play from the bull pen.
Matheney has to play the guys who are producing (defense too) and give the old standby guys something to think about on the bench more often. There are so many of these players that he can't do it on the same night, but he needs to do something to wake this team up. Shake this team up.
He has nothing to lose, imo. Shake it up and see if they can at the very least get the basics right.
And while he is at all of this, he needs to look in the forkin mirror.
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and then Wainwright throws a gem and the bats did their part and they win 5-0
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If you want to beat the Cardinals, simply play them at home and put a Lefty on the mound........any Lefty. Your Single A prospect, or even a kid from your local T-ball team. Why Adams is sitting while batting .306 vs. Lefties is stupid. The new backup catcher couldn't throw out HO, if he was walking across a Nodak pothole. Broxton and Rosenpuke need money for a Greyhound bus ride to AS Springfield.
Matheny is lost. The summer heat must be cookin his brain. Dave Duncan needs to be brought out of retirement. No matter what it takes.
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Cards are 4-3 on their road trip against the 3 WC teams LA, NY and now the fish. Another win over the weekend and we go .500 in that stretch.
They are showing signs of life, consistency. The D has improved. Their last 6 wins have all been by one run which says something for the bullpen. The last two wins were at the expense of baseballs best pitchers.
Is this it? Turning a wide, wide corner here? At the very least, they are hanging tough against good teams without their best player in Carpenter and their biggest power guy in Moss.
Mo needs to make some moves. An alternative for Broxtons role and help for Siegrest to stay fresh. I say we roll with OH and not sell the farm for a high priced over rated closer. As for starters, we got Lyons for #6 and then the cupboard is bare.
It's been one frustrating season so far but gotta say, it's been it's own kind of special.
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Why do we need a #6 or #7 starter. I didn't realize teams needed more than 5. Wacha has been off his game this year, but we can't do much about that. Cashner is now off the market and Chris Sales is a winey ass beardedtaco. I think he brings more negativity to the clubhouse than anything. Especially with Lynn coming back next year, we have gotten where we are with the starters. Its going to have to work to get us to the finish line. Bullpen is holding good for now. 2 runs in the last 7 games I thing. That's solid enough.
Getting Carp and Moss back are key. Peralta can be a good bat to have in the lineup is he can get healthy and right. If not Gyorko is providing enough pop and Garcia is hitting good. Phambino and Grichuk can split time in Center. Sure its a week spot, but they are picking up on their poor hitting.
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I wasn't saying we NEED a starter dawg. I was just stating that if one gets injured, we go to Lyons. That's it. I happen to think Lyons is a hell of a lot more than chopped liver too. He is quite valuable in long relief.
Before the rain out last week and we had to play the Dbl Header and a #6, the Cardinals were the only team in baseball to have used the same 5 starter for every game. I know the value. I also know about Cardinal pitching injuries that seem about as regular as Bubba's daily constitution.
Get Carp back and go with Garcia, Alydmes, Wong and Gyorko on the infield. Leave Peralta on the stretcher for all I care.That guy fell down big time last fall when we needed him most.
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Very rapidly losing confidence in Matheny. 5 years on the job and he is still making rookie manager mistakes. Can anyone honestly say they have confidence that he is going out maneuver the opposing manager on any given night? But all of that is secondary to him being at the helm of the sloppiest, worst defensive team of my lifetime. And that doesn't even account for the poor base running and poor at bats in key situations... This team is just hard to watch. Not sure how players get paid millions to do one thing, play baseball, and can't seem to eliminate the foolish mistakes that you wouldn't tolerate on your U-14 boys team...
If you took this team and didn't change one thing other than eliminating the piss poor play in the field, they would be a 90+ win team, assured of a wild card spot and possibly challenging the Cubs for the Division. As it is, they will be darn lucky to get a Wild card spot and if they do, their odds in the playoffs aren't very good with that kind of undisciplined, sloppy, error-pron play. My goodness, how freakin' hard it is to know what base to throw to, what base to cover, what base to back-up? How hard is it to know who should have priority on hit balls? How hard is it to know that you NEVER make the 1st or 3rd out at 3rd base?!?!? How hard is it to know to take a pitch or two, late in the game when you're down a run or two and the opposing pitcher just walked the guy in front of you? And what are the consequences from this Manager when all of these bonehead moves and many more occur? 
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ok.from the bottom up...a schrade folder
prolly caint add
never say never
it isnt
im sure some of um never played lil league
Matheney sux 4 sure......the way i c it.....is that fact that most players must like him and there4 will play pretty hard ( not smart granted ) .
I like the effort most games.
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Too bad we traded Shelby Miller for a worthless outfielder......we could use Miller right now.
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miller is in the minors right now... he sucks as bad as heyward
weren't you at the game when the starting pitcher had half of the team's two hits and the only rbi??
that's part of the forkin problem..
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Ya I was there. Garcia had 11k's and had to be the offense for the night. Having Moss and Carp go down didn't help. It got them out of sync. Diaz out of the lineup is a huge negative. The entire team has no consistency from top to bottom. Holliday needs to just hang it up after this season.
Watching them nightly will make a man drink a lot.
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Watching them nightly will make a man drink a lot.
True this
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See Andy's post above about fundamentals
Brain freeze is a terrible thing to see and let the Cubs back into the game
Game in about 30 minutes--
Hope that they can shake the loss off because I am not sure I can take more of last night
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Today ain't much better..
Neither new money or old money is very good this year..
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Pitiful
Just pitiful
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Well new money is for sure sucking ass. Below .500. No where near a playoff spot. 3rd or 4th in their weak division.......and we all know how playing in a weak ass division will cause other fans to say how you can't hang anywhere else.
Old money is in 2nd place. Should make the playoffs. Battling for the wildcard spot. Lots of key injuries to starters keeping us farther back in division and WC race. Old money can get hot and do something in the playoffs. New money won't be in the playoffs if they get hot
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They must have got a new supply of pixie dust
Whupped the cubbies pretty convincingly
Wonder what the Chitcago press is writing about the 'genius' Maddon this morning?
Best part--we moved 1/2 game up in that goofy WC
Baseball Prospectus says the Birds have a 51.4% shot at getting in the playoffs
Our neighbors to the west chances?????
If you just have to know
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/
Mel.....don't look.
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Wu, I already know the bad news. Seeing it almost every night. What with the injuries we have had and both the starting and relieving pitching goin south I doubt we have any chance at even the wild card. But still not a bandwagon jumper. Crap happens.
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Card game on ESPN tonight--
may be a KMOX night
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Cards 6-4
Bop Baby Bears with long ball
Chitago press is singing like they just lost the Series even though cubbies have a 12 game lead in the division.
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Every time I talk this team up they chit in their pants for a week.
I will say this, maybe repeating myself, but my dream is to somehow someway face them cubs in the 5 game round 1 series.
And I don't care what they say in Chicago about how great the cubs are or Madden this or Madden that. Deep down the Cardinals will be the last team they wanna face out of all of 'em. And the last 2 games are a good reminder why.
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Saw Reyes for the first time last night.
Very raw still but dayum that ball comes off his hand like a shot from a cannon. Very different look than other fastball pitchers and I think it messes with the batters head.
Two impressive outings against two good teams. Hope he can keep this up and control his game.
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Moss 1B
Diaz 2nd when he gets back
Gyroko SS
Carpenter 3rd
Pisscottt RF
Grichuk CF
Pham LF
Molina C
Go with that lineup for the best bars with the most pop and it takes us to the playoffs. Holliday needs to just retire. Hazelbaker and Moss can rotate into the OF with Adam's at first.
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Agree. And I don't want Holiday back this year. MM will put him in and he will fail coming back, just like last Fall.
Cards owe Rizzo or Bryant a high one to the ribs too. MM should have done already.
For now:
Moss at first, Carp 2nd, Garcia ss, Gyroko 3rd
Pham Piscotty RG in OF
Now go sit down Johnny. We'll need you off the bench
on edit dawg, not sure about gyroko at ss.
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I meant to put Diaz at SS and Gyroko at 2nd
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I meant to put Diaz at SS and Gyroko at 2nd
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Reyes is listed at 175 lbs.
If that forker is a pound under 225 I'll let Bubba kiss my azz!
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More magic pixie dust for a come behind win.
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More magic pixie dust for a come behind win.
Ain't that the truth
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Reyes is listed at 175 lbs.
If that forker is a pound under 225 I'll let Bubba kiss my azz!
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LS-- you might have to mark the spot for Bubba
some folks think you are ALL ass
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Dang Wu. That cuts deep.
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Dang Wu. That cuts deep.
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bwaaaaaaaaaaa
Cards have yet another 5 game win streak stopped last night.
This has in the past then led to a week or so of horrid play against inferior teams.
Time to step up boys. Time is running out.
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Good win yesterday. Gotta beat up the weak teams after all.
Keep hearing about the hot Royals.
A sweep of the Marlins would convince me.
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Good win yesterday. Gotta beat up the weak teams after all.
Keep hearing about the hot Royals.
A sweep of the Marlins would convince me.
Ya, sweeping the Marlins would be a good thing for STL. Put some breathing room in the WC for us
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Jaime true to form last night, resorting to his old self after recent success.
And how many runners stranded last night? 11? 12? Homers are great, but a few timely hits last night would have done the trick once Garcia was gone.
This team needs some more heart if they wanna get into October.
But dang they have me. I am having more "fun" watching this oil rig go up and down this year than I had with those 100 wins last year.
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More magic pixie dust for a come behind win.
Was that "pixie dust" still left from the early 80's Cards teams with Hernandez, Porter, etc.? LOL
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We tried. KC got 2 out of 3. You're welcome, Dog.
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Cardinals seem to need help from everywhere because every time they get close to respectable, competitive play they fall down with horrid defense, base running and now pitching has joined the fold.
I'm a big fan. I've waited and waited for this pathetic trend to end but so far I got nothing to show for it but a prayer:
Dear God,
Please make this team play better fundamental baseball, especially when it really counts.
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Cardinals seem to need help from everywhere because every time they get close to respectable, competitive play they fall down with horrid defense, base running and now pitching has joined the fold.
I'm a big fan. I've waited and waited for this pathetic trend to end but so far I got nothing to show for it but a prayer:
Dear God,
Please make this team play better fundamental baseball, especially when it really counts.
Thank You God.
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Cardinals seem to need help from everywhere because every time they get close to respectable, competitive play they fall down with horrid defense, base running and now pitching has joined the fold.
I'm a big fan. I've waited and waited for this pathetic trend to end but so far I got nothing to show for it but a prayer:
Dear God,
Please make this team play better fundamental baseball, especially when it really counts.
Thank You God.
At the risk of appearing to be overly dramatic, this is by far, the most fundamentally weak team I have ever seen wear a St. Louis Cardinals uniform. You could make a pretty strong case that both the recorded errors and the moronic mental errors either directly or indirectly played significant roles in Saturday's and Sunday's losses.
Moss's brain cramp and unbelievably poor decision to throw home Saturday night directly lead to the winning run scoring on the next at-bat.
Rosario is 29 years old. He has been playing baseball for at least 20 years and probably more like 25 years. And he doesn't have the sense to know NEVER to make the third out at 3rd base? Add in the fact that it was the late innings and we were still trailing by one run and it makes his mistake 1,000X bigger. No wonder this moron has never had any success getting to and staying at the big league level...
If I were Matheny, I would be spending an hour each day in the classroom, with these players, going over all of the stuff they seemed to miss in little league, high school and the minors. A review of the fundamentals of base running would be my #1 priority. #2 would be where to throw the ball in situations. #3 would be how to be where you need to be on every play and every situation. #4 would be a refresher on how to go through scenario's in your head before every pitch (i.e what do I do it it is hit to me or what do I do if it is not hit to me, etc...). Then I would spend an hour or two on the practice field with drills, going over what was reviewed in the classroom. Novel idea huh? Who would think to actually practice on the areas you need work? Then again, maybe Matheny doesn't know these fundamentals either...
Let's hope they get their chit together quickly...
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You mean actively coach????
At the big league level??
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If I were Matheney, there would have been some steep prices to pay for all the knucklehead errors that have plagued this team ALL SEASON.
No one seems particularly accountable for their play on this team.
I know we are still in the hunt, things could be worse. But dear Jesus, I cannot take the sloppy D any more and the pitching seems to be catching up to it's level.
I mean down.
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Even if they make the playoffs, they don't have the pitching to make it anywhere. I know they can get hot and all that, blah, blah, blah horsechit, but when your ace is Martinez at this point, you're pretty much forked.
I do think Lynn will make it back. He's been pitching in Springfield and the guy's a horse.
All you can hope for (IF they make the playoffs) is that Wainwright get's his chit figured out, Martinez stays healthy, Leake gets rid of the gonorrhea and Lynn can contribute somehow... I mean seriously, that was a huge stretch just typing that.
Time to enjoy the game itself and get ready for football season or in the case of StL fans, get ready for hockey..
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You guys need the same thing as the Royals; a lot of pixie dust and loads of accountability by players and Manager alike.
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Even if they make the playoffs, they don't have the pitching to make it anywhere. I know they can get hot and all that, blah, blah, blah horsechit, but when your ace is Martinez at this point, you're pretty much forked.
I do think Lynn will make it back. He's been pitching in Springfield and the guy's a horse.
All you can hope for (IF they make the playoffs) is that Wainwright get's his chit figured out, Martinez stays healthy, Leake gets rid of the gonorrhea and Lynn can contribute somehow... I mean seriously, that was a huge stretch just typing that.
Time to enjoy the game itself and get ready for football season or in the case of StL fans, get ready for hockey..
Go Broncos!!
Hearing a lot of chit talk about the Donkeys this year Haus.
They in for a big fall?
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Tied with the hot Mets for the WC #2.
Two home series remain. Two more chances to get this monkey off their back.
Been a crazy year.
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Defense should be fine, but when you go from a HOF QB to a dude who hasn't played a snap in a regular game, well..
I'm hoisting a monster beer in hopes of one helluva running game.
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rook didn't look too bad. 3 turnovers on offense and they still won the game.. i'll take it.
I sure am glad that game was on vs watching the fantastic pitching of Garcia..
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Man so sick of Jaime and his BP sessions with the other team.
He was grooving balls all 3 innings worth. He needs to sit, but big Mike says he HAS to pitch. Garcia hasn't earned that. I know options are limited and it all effects the bull pen but he has had the most horrendous year you could ask for from a pitcher. Those few "gems" were eons ago Mike.
Your donkeys squeaked a big one out last night. Turned it on in the 4th qtr and it was a good enough game to stay up for.
bwaaaaaaaaaa
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earlier in the year, he'd throw a one hitter now and then, but he ain't got it now. so when he actually is healthy, he pitches like chit.. he's been around a long time in the organization and his contributions have been thin. time to hit the road.
if wacha and lynn are healthy, you'd have your starting 5 and not a bad group of pitchers either. I haven't heard where lynn is right now. heard that diaz was in springfield the past couple of days.. AA playoffs right now. Cards vs the Royals..
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Just when they had me accepting the inevitable....they pulled me back in.
Geezo this team drives me nuts.
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Word is that he is close and could probably pitch in the last few weeks of the season and playoffs, if they make it. But... He is entering the last year of his current deal and I'm sure wants a huge payday far more than he wants to pitch for very, very long shot at another WS ring. I wouldn't plan on seeing him until Spring Training 2017. I hope I'm wrong but even if he comes back, it will have to be out of the pen and that isn't where the big problem is right now...
Thank goodness for the youngins' or this team would be 10 games back in the WC race. I had to chuckle about Matheny's idiotic comments about the veterans showing the young guys how things are done. Does the stupid forker not see the pitching and hitting stats of the last few months? Maybe the young guys need to show the veterans a thing or two. I'm losing confidence daily in MM... I finally heard one of the sports media talking heads bring this up on my drive in to work this morning. I wondered how long it would take before the STL media lapdogs would start to point out some of MM's flaws. Like managing a team that is so fundamentally poor, defensively, it has cost them a dozen games or more...
Here is my prediction for the end of the year: Wainwright has surgery and we find out he had some issue all season long (hopefully this is the case or he really is "done"). Garcia is declared mentally unfit to play the game and gets institutionalized at a place where everything is in order and nothing can disrupt his day. The starting rotation for 2017 is Martinez (ace), Lynn, Reyes, Leake and Weaver.
13 Games left and only 1 game out of a WC spot. Probably going to come down to the wire...
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The Cardinals are tired. 5 straight years of play-off baseball, with 4 of those to the NLCS, 2 WS trips,'including a WS win.........they are just tired and need a post season off. It's an excuse new money is using so old money is going with that.
Never mind the excise that their organization just isn't deep enough to trade away their talent for a WS title and survive the next year with injuries.
Cards pull out a WC spot and spend it on the road, which is the best place for them to play.
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What happened to nlcs champion??
Tired? They have been playing this way all year.
This team would be 8 games back in the division and 5 games up in the WC if they knew how to play decent defense.
I saw that in the west side thread...."tired" due to post season exposure. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...It has SOME merit for a team in post season 13 of last 15 years but..........2 forking years of it??
I haven't given up....but after Friday night....I almost did.
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I didn't say I was giving up. I said they make the playoffs with a WC berth and make it to the NLCS. After that, I leave the procrastinating or prognosticating to griffin. He does have a great track record.
If the Royals excuse is they are tired.....that means STL is already dead and decomposed worm food with their postseason appearances.
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I see Lackey has won 2 games since June 14th while losing 6 games in those 15 starts.
Seems like the Cubs sure got their money's worth this season out of Mr. anger management
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Heyward is batting his weight finally at .230 average. .325 slugging. .302 OPS. And 7 HR. Poor bastard has 4 assists ok the year. Grichuck who got his ass shipped to AAA for playing so poor has twice as many assists as Heyward does and Piscotfy has the same number. Both those guys make about 16 million less a year and have 3 times as many HR's.
Good to see the Cubs taking out the trash and overpaying for it in the offseason
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My fave team right now are the Braves. 2 in a row.
Thank you Bubba!
3 way tie for WC.
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Cards need to sweep in Colorado today. Anything better than 1-3 in Chicago will be a bonus. That is a damn good team, they've already clinched the Division and will be playing loose and free. Nothing would be more satisfying to them than sweeping the Cards. I hope I'm wrong but I don't have the warm-fuzzies about playing them this weekend. They're going to face Arrieta on Friday, Hendricks on Sat and Hammel on Sunday. Ouch!! Let's hope the birds bring their A-game and some attitude...
The good news is I don't see Garcia in the rotation. Hopefully, he is getting treatment for headworms at some facility...
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We are 8-8 against the cubs so far this season.
As good as they are, we do what we can do with them then move on to close out at home against 2 truly beatable teams. It's THOSE teams in THAT ballpark I am more worried about.
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We are playing the Flubs in Shitcago. Road games never scare me with this team. It's the 7 games at Busch, that we will lose 5 outta 7 to. Probably get swept by lowly Cincinnati
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Bubba, how do I do the stupid chop?
http://www.espn.com/mlb/recap?gameId=360921121
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Glad we could help . I put in the word for you. You perform the chop as if you are casting a fly rod , all in the elbow. You're welcome.
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After sitting there last night watching the 3 fer 60 Brandon Moss be put into the cleanup spot by Matheney last night in the big Chicago game I came to a conclusion.
It will take a literal miracle for the Cards to make the WC playoff game.
Yes, he went 0-4. Yes, he struck out with the tying run in scoring position late in the game. And yes, he missed the ball with his bat by a country mile most every time he swung.
Thanks Mike!
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After sitting there last night watching the 3 fer 60 Brandon Moss be put into the cleanup spot by Matheney last night in the big Chicago game I came to a conclusion.
It will take a literal miracle for the Cards to make the WC playoff game.
Yes, he went 0-4. Yes, he struck out with the tying run in scoring position late in the game. And yes, he missed the ball with his bat by a country mile most every time he swung.
Thanks Mike!
And after settling into my seat to watch a little of the Cards game last night and seeing Garcia take the mound, I felt the same way. Then seeing Moss in the lineup, batting .064 over the past month, I just gave up after the first inning. It is pretty rare that you know a game is over after the bottom of the 1st inning but last night was one of those games. I watched the 2nd inning and that was all I could stand...
Tonight the Reds throw some no-name, young kid with a 5.50 ERA at the Cards. And we throw Wainwright (with 4.57 ERA of his own). Should be a guaranteed victory right? I guess we'll see...
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Nothing is guaranteed with this years team. They can still get in the playoffs but they have to almost win out to do it.
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Why the Fork is Moss still playing. He isn't even batting Daniel Descasco's weight. Then Mike has Jedd Geryko sitting on the bench for the last 2 games.
2nd and 3rd with 1 out and we can't get a run home to tie. Lead off triple and we cast get a safety squeeze on, a regular squeeze, or a forking fly ball for a sac fly. All the long balls we hit and they can't get a fly ball deep enough to score. Out managed by a chit team. Best at home again by a chit team. Hell. We should have said Busch stadium was broken all hear and played on the road. Would have won 130+ games doing that.
Stick a fork in it. The Mets are hot. The Giants can actually play baseball. Maybe we can fire MM in the offseason. See ya in 2017
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Giants are trying to give it to us but Mike says no.
Moss and Matheney equally lost. Hell play the kids that are up here on the bench.
Anemic bats. Horrible D.
Only a fool like me would pray for any kind of turnaround at this juncture.
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As Matheney has stuck with him night after night in the last month, chasing the WC, Moss is batting .073 with 36 strike outs.
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As Matheney has stuck with him night after night in the last month, chasing the WC, Moss is batting .073 with 36 strike outs.
I realize you have to let managers manage their teams but shouldn't someone step in and share the Moss stats with MM? Would anyone's boss let them do something so detrimental to their organization for so long without stepping in? If this weren't so maddening, it would be comical. Are we really to believe the Hazelbaker or Pham couldn't do better than this?
I hope MM gets hammered mercilessly if they miss the playoffs. I hope he gets called out by every media person that he talks to. Can't wait to see his grouchy, cob-up-my-arse attitude when they repeatedly ask him about playing Moss over other players that have shown they can hit.
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Vin Scully's last game is Sunday. What a forkin career.
Might try to catch the last few innings if it's streaming somewhere. It'd be pretty cool if that game meant something to the Cardinals and his final broadcast gave us a WC spot.
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bittersweet. wish they had made it in, but they looked like chit most of the year, so it painful to watch at times
with that said, I hope the Dodgers get swept in this first round.. tankin bastages
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The damn Dodgers laid down worse than the WS champions the last few weeks. All they had to do was a forking game against San Fran. SMH. Let's see what the offseason brings, and who it brings
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LA sandbagged us. I guess it's their version of payback.
1 game back hope MM and the boys think long and hard about how many they squandered away all season.
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Quote:
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LA sandbagged us. I guess it's their version of payback.
1 game back hope MM and the boys think long and hard about how many they squandered away all season.
Yep, too many games given away with sloppy play and poor fundamentals...
Let's hope the golden boy manager has a different game plan for next year's Spring Training. Seems the laissez-faire approach to fielding, base running and hitting doesn't work so well. Maybe, just maybe he'll take a page from all of the great managers over the past hundred years and actually use Spring Training to train!!! There is a reason the players take hundreds of ground and fly balls. There is a reason they go over situations dozens and dozens of times. There is a reason it is so tedious and repetitive. Maybe trying to out-think the way it has been done and succeeded for the past 100 years isn't such a good idea... 
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I hate to potentially rain on your parade but LA is one game from the NLCS series. Deciding game in Washington. The Cubs are waiting. Just saying.........
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Dude.....go back to making dumbass excuses for your piss poor new money team. You hear 27ore years with to think up
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i hear where Jamie is headed to Bubba's team..
thank you Lord!!!
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