fastman
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Yes he did!!! Must be tuff managein a 9-1 game 
I bet this afternoons game will be a classic. 
Go Blues!!!!!!
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H2ODOG
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I personally liked his decision to let a guy give up 2 hits, then a walk............and you go talk to him and let the bastard talk you into staying in the game........only to give up another walk for the go ahead run
I guess when you already drained your bullpen and your bench, your choices are limited. Maybe Oquendo can pitch still
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H2ODOG
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Sweep of the Flubs. Took extra innings for 2 games, but a win is a win. Molina out for a month. I guess we will see how good Pena and Kelly are
Maybe Wainwright can stay hurt all season. Carpenter can go on the DK any day to clear a spot on the roster.
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All this jockeying around off season and now in season for Carps sake and it's just not there. It wasn't there for better part of last year either.
I like the guy, he is still doing his best and grinding his AB's, but if it isn't fundamental at the plate then he might have an injury keeping him from coming back or....maybe he isn't coming back to his .290-.300 level. He's there for his offense. He either gets it going or let Jed have a run at it and see if some pine time gets him going.
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H2ODOG
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Jed deserves his shot to play every day. Carp is now a come of the bench guy. They should have unloaded him last season. DeJong, Wong, and Martinez round out the infield good. Carp is the weak a lot. I don’t think he returns to his .300 numbers. I like him also, but is time has come and gone. Waiting can still away with his laugh 80 batting practice fast ball. No control. No movement. Just retire or go back to the bullpen for middle relief. Holland is still sketchy in my book. Norris or Hicks need to be saving games. Hicks can be he perfect setup man in the 8th until next season. Then let him have control of the 9th for a fraction on the cost of the vets.
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Knowing MM, this whole get off the teet with Waino and Carp I can see is going to be another sad chapter in how to fork up a season.
I would let Carp steep with Jed getting more time and see if that helps. The Cards made ALL their off season moves around Carpenter so they are going to be very reluctant to just toss him aside and the dude might just find it again too.
We need Waino to man up and do what's best for everybody. I think there's a realistic chance of that but sooner the better. If not, it's going to be painful. Sooo painful.
I still remember years ago not playing Pham when he was the obvious guy to play.
You remember that don't you dawg?
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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sptsman
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the problem with Carp and Waino is real simple. Emotion! Too many people, including the GM and Manager are emotionally tied to these guys and it will cost them more than a few games. Carpenter is a below average fielder, way below average base runner and a good hitter. When the good hitter part goes away, you're left with a drag on the roster. He needs to come off the bench or be traded away. As much as it would suck they could DFA him and it would help the team.
Waino is just done and can't come to grips wit it. That's OK and to be expected form a guy like him. But it is the GM and Manager's job to deal with it. Take the PR hit and move on...
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Yeah so MM pretty much mismanages another give away game on Saturday....is that 2 or three already?
Then we have to go with Waino and throw another away Sunday.
It's as if at the closing weeks of the season none of this matters.
I'm not putting it all on MM. Carp, Fowler and injuries are in on all of it. But this makes all the decisions around those guys and then the rest of it all....all the more important.
He has to know he is on thin ice if this year falls through.
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H2ODOG
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Waino walks 6 in 2 1/3 innings. Shocked MM didn’t leave him in there longer. Shocked he didn’t play Carpenter again today.
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So many mistakes. The players in the field and then, MM from the bench.
If they want to make Holland whole again, it has to be on Holland, not the team.
If you want to bring him in to a critical inning to get him right, he gets ZERO room. Walk a guy? Adios. Right then and there.
THAT'S how you bring a guy back. On his dime, not the teams. He brings himself back, or fork him anyway. And MM is every bit to blame as Holland with these fork ups.
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Bubba
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I don't ask for much ,but I really need for your team to beat the phillies today!! Think yall can handle that?
Thank you in advance!
By the way, I am miffed that LS hasn't congratulated me for the superior play of the Braves...  
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Well Bubba, where is your Braves thread?
Unlike yourself, I don't start threads on teams I could give a chit about.
bwaaaaaaaaa
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wuchang
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Quote:
Bubba said:
I don't ask for much ,but I really need for your team to beat the phillies today!! Think yall can handle that?
Thank you in advance!
By the way, I am miffed that LS hasn't congratulated me for the superior play of the Braves...
Right now, I ain't sure the Birds could beat "New Money"
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After today's game.......New Money might be in trouble 
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So the dude who struck out 13 Phillies on Sunday might get sent down in the next 6 days?
Do I got that right?
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wuchang
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So the dude who struck out 13 Phillies on Sunday might get sent down in the next 6 days?
Do I got that right?
They need to keep the kid and give him another start
send Holland down (or release him) and when Gregerson gets off the DL--
they can send him the same place they send Holland to keep him company
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Just don't trust the decision makers.
A couple of points on my mind.
One, not sure they should do the 6 man rotation or not but it seems like a very good short term solution until a) and injury occurs to one of the 6 or b) one of the 6 doesn't pan out or 1 of the six bombs out.
Secondly, all this great news on our starters and talking heads are popping off about trade chips! WTF?
You can't take a kid who just struck out 13 on a hot Phillies team and put him back in the minors. See where it goes, please. And you sure as fork aren't TRADING HIM.
And then there's Holland. Starting to remind me of Jake Allen/Blues, although fortunately not on the same scale but just as mind numbing.
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wuchang
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It was standard Holland outing
Gives up 2 singles and a walk to load bases then gives up 2 run single to Jon Jay
I am sure Matheny will say he left Holland in to give Holland a chance to "get right"
Once again The Beloved Leader of Men demonstrates his game management skills and Holland needs to do a term in the minors but being a Boras client that isn't likely
And while they are at it, they should send Gregerson and probably Cecil with him
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This team has a ton of potential. No doubt players have to play but Matheney keeps getting in the way of any traction towards winning.
So he brings him back immediately after the last fiasco.
Leaves him in too long. AGAIN.
No lesson learned. AGAIN.
A 3-1 game in the ninth when we had 2 on and nobody out leads to a bunt.
Down 5-1, it leads to a DP.
All this chit matters.
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H2ODOG
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Holland has to go we keep hearing how he is going to come around. Dude got hurt.....missed and entire season and missed spring training. Dude Needs to get right in Memphis and not at the expense of the big club.
Let the 6 man rotation be put in place. Somemone will get hurt or their pitching falls off. Worst case, they all do well and you roll into the playoffs with 6 guys to choice from to start, and move the 2 worst to the bullpen for the playoffs.
How long until Carpenter is batting .200 for a month he hasn’t been right since his last injury in July 2016. Last year sucked. For the number of folks we keep putting on the DL, I’m shocked we are just a game out of 1st.
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While Cards try to find their real game they face the Brewers in Milwaukee while it is cubs against Pittsburgh at the same time.
Something tells me the Central might look a lot different come Thursday.
Tuesday game with Reyes return is some kind of facebook tv crap not shown on regular network. WTF.
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wuchang
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Reyes returns on Wednesday Sparky
If you are foolish enough to watch anything on Facebook Watch, then you deserve whatever happens when they spam your browser.
I wonder what Front Office genius thought this is a good idea,especially after all the news about how they sell your info etc.
Fork Facebook
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I don't know what face book watch is.
You'll have to fill me in.
Maybe tweet it out there.
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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wuchang
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Quote:
last_stand said:
I don't know what face book watch is.
You'll have to fill me in.
Maybe tweet it out there.
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Tweet????
I see you are still in hockey mode
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H2ODOG
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My question is who decided to give Brett Cecil nearly $8 million a year for 4 years.......and why are they still employed. Most likely the same one who thought it was a brilliant idea to lay Greg Holland $14 million a year.
They are both of about as useful as a white crayon. Cecil’s ERA is back up to his typical as a Cardinal 7.50+ value. Maybe him and Holland could share a hotel in Skngle A Palm Beach until say November. Holland after his surgery shoukdnhve been treated like a horse. Taken out back and put out of misery.
Rotation could go back to 5 starters pretty easy. Weaver needs to be back in Memfrica
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