Cafeoutdoors.com: Poor Politics

Lib - the point remains that any analogy b/t the American and French revolutions and Iraq is very weak. That there were substantial numbers of British loyalists does not overcome the fact that there was a large nucleus of rebels united around a more or less common cause. There were, fundamentally two sides - the British and their colonial loyalists vs. the colonial revolutionaries. Iraq is, and always has been, fractured along multiple tribal, religous, and ethnic loyalites - so much so that people identify themselves along religious or tribal lines almost more than they identify themselves as Iraqis. The analogy simply does not work.

Lib, what is disturbing - well, amusing is more like it - is the profound ignorance revealed in the following statement:

"Now as to your uninformed statement as to where we get our rights. Tanvat, the Declaration of Independence (this is really something you should read and comprehend, it's really one of the finest pieces of persuasion in literary history, actually the finest) what part of "we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights" do you not understand?"

The Declaration of Independence is a remarkable document. However, it is not the source of our political order. That is pretty elementary Lib - basic civics. The document that is the source of our national political order is the Constitution. Read it. See how many times it mentions God or the Creator. Look hard as you want, but you'll not find it. Instead, the preamble begins with the actual source of the social contract that forms gives form to our democracy; i.e., "We the People....."

In any event, even if we indulge your erroneous assumption that the Declaration of Independence is the foundational document of our union the fact that it uses the term Creator don't make it so for it presupposes that there is a Creator up there who is concerned with us. And never said the country wasn't founded on Judeo-Christian principles, though I'm not certain that three branches of goverment, a post office, and slaves getting counted as 3/5 of a person all reflect deep-seated Judeo-Christian principles....

This has gotten sufficiently off topic now and I'm not going to change your mind and you won't change mine. I'd imagine we both agree on less taxes and less spending though.

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