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Re: Clinton Health Plan and crappy looking '08 slate
      10/03/07 11:55 AM

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"Thinning out the national forests is an impossible idea. Thinning out some areas around towns, homes, not so impossible.




This is true, except in Liberty's world, because of economic reasons. To cut trees that the environmentalist lawsuits allow is impossible. In Liberty's world you pluck trees out of the forest. In the real world you build cut trees to build a road, then you haul skidders and the like in to the harvest area, then you have to cut trees that will fall to the ground. After they're on the ground they're limbed, which makes a big fuel pile that has to be dealt with at some expense. The logs are then skidded or cabled out to trucks that travel back down the road. What all this means is that harvesting trees is an expensive undertaking and the Forest Service doesn't harvest trees, they sell them standing. So if the FS wants an area thinned it has to include some timber worth some money.
The Democratic Congress prior to Clinton's gift to his backers, was greedy, as always, so timber harvest was done to feed congress, not to keep the forest healthy. The forest are now prime for a drought induced fire season.
If the forest are going to gain ground they need some thinning, but the timber would have to be a gift and that would raise more problems and corruption.
The best answer is to tell home owners they need to protect themselves, prescribed burnings, cutting dead stands, and allowing more roads, within reason.
Liberty's plan based on ignorance, because I guarantee he hasn't become an expert in a couple years sitting on his ass in front of a PC, but he thinks he has, at least enough to come up with a plan that would leave the forest to the rich. Selling them to Weyerhauser and investment groups wouldn't stop hunting, just for the average Joe that can't drop a few grand for an Elk hunt. Timber companies don't thin on virgin timber, they do on what they plant because its planted like cornfields, in rows. The trees grow thick, much thicker than in the natural forest and they are thinned as they grow. The nice spaced forest that Liberty sees on the West side of the Cascades started as a plot that an Elk couldn't live walk in, much less find anything to eat.
Once again Lib, I don't want the forest sold to Clinton's buddies, there will always be forest fires, but eventually, with good management they will overcome the damage done in the decades prior to 1988.

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