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Ozark member Reged: 12/14/05 Posts: 4012 Loc: out in the woods Ethanol, again.       10/09/07 02:13 AM Edit   Reply   Quote   Quick Reply   I've decided that producing ethanol to replace gasoline as motor fuel in the U.S. is a scam. Some fat cats are making money off it, and promoting ethanol makes politicians look good - but it can't be a viable solution. Here's why: (1) The energy gain with ethanol is very small. It produces about 1.1 units of energy when it burns for every 1 unit of energy it takes to make the stuff. That's too small a ratio, and making ethanol probably causes a net energy loss when you figure in some inefficiencies in production. (2) Like I've said before, fermentation produces a HELLUVA bunch of CO2 gas as a by-product. I know from experience that just 5 gallons of fermenting beer will produce enough CO2 to drive the air out of a good-size room. If environmentalists are worried about "greenhouse gases", ethanol production will give 'em plenty to worry about. (3) The clincher. We can't grow near enough corn or other food crops to make enough ethanol to make a difference. The proposed solution there is to break down cellulose into fermentables. That way, sawgrass, leaves, wood chips, and most any other plants could be turned into alcohol. That's where the b.s. really shows in the ethanol argument. Those "fermentables" yeast eats are the same things we eat - starch and sugar, a.k.a. carbohydrates. If cellulose could be efficiently broken down into fermentables, that would create an almost-infinite food supply - not for yeast, but for people. Everything from grass to logs could be used to make a nutritious tofu-like "stuff" that could be flavored up any way you want it. Nobody, worldwide, would ever go hungry again. With all that in mind, it's pretty obvious to me that the idea of ethanol replacing a meaningful amount of gasoline fuel in the U.S. is just a politically-expedient scam. Comments? Post Extras

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