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let me fill the vacuum for the learned puss

he believes a naturally functioning forest is one where man has been removed, because he learned his BS in a public university where the idea that man has been the problem has been a common theme since the 1960s at least.

what hillbilly is too afraid to say is that he doesn't believe people should live near the forests, he will say something erroneous like the 30 mile alarm bell signaled by the idiots at Washington State University and he will lament perhaps even voice a clarion call for the destructiveness of the urban interface, he of course will fail to mention the fact that almost every major city in the American west is well within 30 miles of a national forest. He will then say that the national forests, which by definition are not wilderness, should be managed as wilderness. He will of course tell you that I believe all the national forests should be sold to a monster logging company that will cut it all down, at this point Hellbender will chime in and say where will my kiddies hunt. Of course I have only said that at most 33 percent of the forests should be sold to either the states who manage their forest land better than the federal government or to private people in small acreage amounts of 40, 80, 160, 320 or 640 acres. But of course that can't be repeated for a BS holding hillbilly (damn I haven't even played my doctorate card yet) He will then say that the recent firestorms are just natural, which of course begs the question when was the last time these forests were truly natural, ya know allowed to just burn until the snow flies, and when did these forests not have man in them providing some sort of management, well we are going back 10,000 years now to get to a natural state and conveniently we have little to no data on how that played out. Meanwhile good decent people lose their homes no matter what precautions they take, fires burn hotter than before because the excessive fuel loads from both suppression and anti-logging policies, ladder fuels have increased and lodgepole forests are completely incinerating, but ponderosa dominated forests are also going up, leaving vast wastelands that fall into our rivers and kill all the fish. Meanwhile wildlife walks up into our yards, falls over and dies from hunger because they can't find food because the fires burned for several thousand square miles.

I see that degree did you a lot of good, so did you ever actually get a job in fisheries or wildlife or forestry, just wondering since an authority would have long ago argued some of these points, but I'm guessing you might do better at serving me a Slurpee than talk intelligently about forests you've never seen.

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