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Re: Well Suze....
      08/12/14 09:56 AM

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MissBudweiser said:
I'm glad you have inside information as to how NASCAR is hurting and killing off competitors, on purpose.



I have no inside information but I am not a blind loyalist and I can see what is happening, right in front on me, without the prejudiced view of the people that are part of this circus.

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MissBudweiser said:
Right off the bat, and once again, this wasn't a NASCAR sanctioned race. The video, shows that Stewart did NOT have on track
contact with this young man. So, why would Stewart take any retaliatory action? Clearly, he didn't.





Who cares if it NASCAR sanctioned or not? It is racing and they all follow the lead of the big dog. Watch any sport below the level of the NBA, MLB, NHL or NFL and you'll see the same thing. They emulate what they see and all want to be like Mike. This is not new or unique. It is the way it has been for years. Sanctioned or not, related or not, it simply doesn't matter. NASCAR is driving the bus!!

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MissBudweiser said:Once again, you are talking about NASCAR exerting some control over racing in which it has no financial interest, input into rules and regulations, and drivers which they do NOT control. Tony Stewart is one of the few drivers in NASCAR who writes his own ticket, as he is a self-employed free agent. He's not contractually bound, to an owner, as he is his own car owner. I am suspecting that Haas (his business partner) made him back away from driving yesterday, not NASCAR. As I said, there are is a civil suit brewing here, one that is being played out right now, online, because the determination of guilt is much lower in civil cases, and Stewart has money, but YOU don't have a clue what Tony was thinking, at the time this kid got wrapped in his axle. Drivers endangering themselves and others by walking on poorly lit tracks, happen every week at non-NASCAR sanctioned short tracks, and the only thing it does is raise the price of track liability insurance, to the point that tracks close. Nobody wins then. No drivers, and no yahoo spectators.



TS will settle this little mess before it ever goes to court. Nobody's rates will go up even $1 because it will never be a claim. The kids family will be told this one will be hard to win and TS will be told by his lawyers it will be best to give them a million or two and get the necessary releases. Everyone will avoid the bad PR and it will just go away.

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MissBudweiser said:To say that Tony Stewart's previous actions are detrimental to the sport, is a cop-out. He is a track owner, and a mentor to many of these kids. It's only your perception that he's going to get backed by NASCAR, or has a player's association on his side, like other big league sports - he doesn't. If NASCAR was interested in improving their own show, they should have replaced the ARMCO barriers at the Glen before yesterday, so that those who have the attention span of a knat, might have stayed tuned in.




I guess you're right, TS's actions aren't detrimental to the sport. In fact, the sport is gaining substantially from his actions. That includes his multiple fights on and off the track and now he can notch his belt with a 20 year-old kid dead. Just what did anyone with half a brain expect would happen when you do this sort of thing enough times?

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MissBudweiser said:There is just one thing. Each and every time you sign into the pits, just like Tony Stewart, everyone signs a comprehensive waiver of liability to indemnify the track, officials, and all other competitors from liability and prosecution, and this young man would have had to execute one too. The only ones who win here, will be lawyers.




Talk to any first year law student or the most seasoned trial lawyer. They will all tell you the same thing; those waivers getting signed are strictly dog & pony shows. They have all the legal weight of toilet paper. If you think for one second they indemnify anyone, I have bridge and some swampland to sell you. The good news for that kid's family is he wasn't hit by Bubba at the trailer park. They hit the jackpot. He got hit by a guy that can write a 7 digit check, without batting an eye.

Pontificate all you want. This crap is all about getting fans in the seats and doing WHATEVER it takes to make that happen. It is hard to feign outrage when the behavior that led to this kid's death has been tolerated and even encouraged over the past few years. Can you really not see how they have gone down this dangerous path and helped build this culture?

If NASCAR or any other racing organization wanted to make racing safer it would take a meeting of about 1 hour to make some real simple rules:

1.) You get out of your car on a track, before being instructed to do so by an official (exceptions for cars on fire or going into a lake), you are banned for life. Think anyone will get out of their car?
2.) You get into a physical altercation on the property of the race track, you are banned for life.
3.) No more yellow flags. ALL incidents are red flags and all cars must come to a complete stop as soon as possible. Violate this and you are banned for life.

There are just three that would have saved dozens of lives over the past few years. I'm sure smart folks could come up with a dozen more. But that isn't what NASCAR or any racing organization wants.

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* Well Suze.... dabsAdministrator 08/10/14 09:18 AM
. * * Re: Well Suze.... MB2   08/10/14 02:33 PM
. * * Re: Well Suze.... sptsman   08/11/14 09:09 AM
. * * Re: Well Suze.... MB2   08/11/14 11:07 AM
. * * Re: Well Suze.... sptsman   08/12/14 09:56 AM
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. * * Re: Well Suze.... sptsman   08/15/14 12:03 PM
. * * Re: Well Suze.... last_stand   08/22/14 04:07 PM
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. * * Re: Well Suze.... sptsman   08/25/14 09:52 AM
. * * Re: Well Suze.... sptsman   11/03/14 04:34 AM
. * * Re: Well Suze.... wuchangAdministrator   11/03/14 09:50 AM
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